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Know When to Fold Them

Know When to Fold Them

Win 3 games of Caravan.

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How to unlock the Know When to Fold Them achievement in Fallout: New Vegas - Definitive Guide

All Credit goes to the guys over at Achievement Hunter, in this case Jack.

Pretty simple to get the 3 wins for this one as well for the 30 wins for the Caravan Master one as well, just build the deck Jack talks about and have some fun!

This video helped me quite a bit... and really it makes money a non issue when I can win so many caps from people playing Caravan!!
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27 Oct 2010 22:21

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I'm glad somebody posted this video. I have played 15 games of Caravan and haven't lost. This strategy is really fool proof. I forget who I played Caravan with but they would make bets anywhere from 600-1000 caps, made getting money really easy.
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By on 30 Oct 2010 01:52
Please, whoever voted negative, please give me some information about why this was not helpful to you... I want to learn and know so I can bring better solutions and help to you my fellow hunters!
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By CrazyMacGuy on 01 Nov 2010 16:49
This really is the easiest way to win - I haven't lost a game since I saw this a couple of days ago.
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By Hirsute Dave on 02 Nov 2010 05:50
awesome guide. i understand the game! finally! i was about to give up on those achievements too.
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By RadiantPumpkin on 04 Nov 2010 05:57
Thanks for posting the video, was the best/easiest solution for me
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By Dezzie K on 11 Dec 2010 05:36
how could anyone post this negative, soo helpful
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By sC x BoOgEyMaN on 22 Dec 2010 03:48
Thanks for posting this, the Achievement Hunter really do a great job at explaining how to play, and a full proof strategy as well!
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By Patsreds on 29 Dec 2010 05:39
This guide is great and only says as idiotic the game of caravan is. Using the strategy you will have no problem winning each and every time. I only lost once discarding one crucial card by accident.
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By gregk1ler on 09 Jan 2011 19:42
Great solution. I didn't even have to bother learning the game. Lost a couple of times and still have no idea why....
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By liner bronson on 10 Jan 2011 21:59
Heh, the guys in the video can barely understand Caravan. Good stuff.

I know CRAZYMACGAMER didn't make the video, but its existence here is the reason I can win the stupid card game. Pretty simple now that I understand it better!
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By Ethical Sin on 17 May 2011 05:47
I already had a similar strategy without ever seeing a guide. Just instead of the cards he used, I used 10s, 6s, and kings.
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By AspiringDoctor on 13 Jul 2011 06:26
please help, i followed the vid exactly, got to the point where i play 10, 10 , 10, then my 9s are all red and it wont let me play anymore cards??????????
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By Jock o Strap on 11 Jan 2012 22:13
I have no idea how anyone could post negative on this. Its helpful, it doesn't make you cheat or boost or anything like that. Some people just want to watch the internet burn.
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By IvanTortuga on 05 Jun 2012 01:55
This method worked perfectly thank you loads
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By boldfoxrd on 15 Aug 2012 23:46
Worked great!! Thanks!
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By CAWZY on 09 Mar 2013 21:11
Going to give this method a try. Hadn't got a clue on how to play caravan ( still dont ) and got the cheevo purely by chance.
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By revanflashman on 06 Apr 2013 20:47
Great guide, but a list of people who will play and their location would help tremendously. smile
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By Enjoji on 24 Nov 2013 23:07
this method has been patched out now, sucks...
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By Comrade Spanner on 29 Aug 2014 22:15
still works great! awesome video +1
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By LRD SOTH on 27 Feb 2015 15:57
The game is bullshit impossible and anyone who says it’s easy money is on drugs. Play one round of cards and then everything is red and you can never play another card again and have to discard until you lose. Rubbish game.
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By Scenic Route 16 on 05 Feb 2021 13:23
They have patched/updated this making the game not winnable.
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By Scenic Route 16 on 08 Feb 2021 10:17
I can attest that the AH video posted above works perfectly. Follow his instructions and his cards exactly. Lay 10's across the board, then make 26 in the first column, 26 in the second column, and sometimes you'll have to also make 26 in the final column.

Super easy, just a little tedious.
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By iGetHitmarkersX on 27 Mar 2021 22:56
the video worked perfectly. I might work on the 30 wins........ someday.
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By Shadow XBL on 06 Apr 2021 05:00
Maybe I'm missing something here, but flawless guide I think is a little much. Try to follow this strategy and every time one of two things happen: I either cannot discard enough because my hand fills with 10 9 and 7s or the computer fucks with my caravans and screws it all up. Any idea whats up with that?
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By Aura of Heroism on 03 Jun 2012 10:09
Ringo didn't seem to be in my game, so I had to go to No-Bark, who is found either in his shack in Novac or just wandering around the streets there.

Here is a list of places/NPC's where you can play Caravan:
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Caravan_(game)#Caravan_players

Caravan is frustrating, and at first the AH video only confused me more. But after a few tries at playing in-game, it became easy to rack up wins.

Although if I am being honest, I still don't understand what was going on with Caravan, including why or how I was winning.
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By Saw3d 0ff on 17 Dec 2020 01:06
I didn't vote negatively... but I do have some issues with the solutions here. None of them really talk about:

A) If you don't end up talking to that first guy in Goodsprings, you can NEVER play Caravan. For a while, the game would tell me that I didn't have a deck. I thought this meant simply that I needed more cards. I played for maybe 50 hours before realizing there had to be something wrong, and I finally had to look up how to build a deck. So basically, even if you have hundreds of cards in your inventory, you can't actually build a deck and start playing until you talk to the dude in Goodsprings gas station.

B) Of course, when I was playing through the game, it seemed like I constantly encountered the "Want to play a game of Caravan" option. Then, when I try to go for the achievement, I completely forgot who played and had to search for a while until I finally remembered No-Bark. Basically what I'm saying is that a list of players would be very helpful as well. Some seem to be more skilled than others too. Mr. Nash in Primm seems to be able to defeat the method in the video quite often (through use of Jacks).
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By Octobot Super on 07 Nov 2011 10:59
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Your first chance to play Caravan is in Goodsprings, the town you start the game in. Go to the bar and talk to Trudy - she'll tell you about Ringo, who's at the gas station. Say you'll go talk to him and you can go into the gas station - one of the dialogue options with him is to play Caravan.

One user has commented that you NEED to talk to Ringo in order to be able to play Caravan EVER. I am unsure whether this is a bug or a constant thing. Either way, just make sure to talk to Ringo before it's too late. Thanks Octobot Super.

Ringo is not very good at the game so this is probably the best spot to get the achievement. Depending on your choices during his quest, he will then go to Crimson Caravans (East of Freeside) so you can play with him there too.

Note: You can hit X when deciding how much you're going to bet - set it to 1 cap at first, then there's no risk if you happen to lose

Caravan confuses the hell out of me, so here are some basic tips - I managed to get this achievement and I still have no real idea how to play. But if you're smarter than me, you can also read the holotape Ringo gives you - it explains all the rules.

Basically, both you and your opponent have 3 piles - called caravans - of cards. The aim of the game is to getting the total these piles to be between 20 and 27, and to outbid your opponents caravans by having the highest value.

General Info

- Numbered cards simply add their value to the pile. To play a numbered card, it needs continue in the same numerical direction - ascending or descending, and/or be the same suit as the previous card. Jokers placed on a numbered card remove all other cards of this value from the table.
- Aces add one to the pile. Jokers placed on an ace remove all other non-face cards of the aces suit from the table.
- Jacks remove the card it's placed on. (Tip - Placing a Jack on a King will also take away the card the King is doubling)
- Kings double whatever card you put them on.
- Queens add no value - instead, they reverse the current direction and the suit of that caravan.

How to Actually Win 3 Games

The first 3 turns you must start your 3 caravans. Try to put either high or low value cards, since you'll be either ascending or descending. Remember, aim to get the value between 20 and 27.

Also remembers you can put face cards on your opponents caravan. So if an opponent has a caravan with a value between 20 and 27, feel free to to put a King on and it will go over, or put a Jack on the highest value card to put it under.

If you've got a bad hand, you can hit LT to swap out the selected card from your hand. You can also hit RT to remove an entire caravan if you please.

So basically, just remember what face cards do, try to make all your caravans add up to 21-26, and put cards on your opponents side to 'sabotage' them. Since Ringo kinda sucks, it shouldn't be too hard.

After you get this achievement, win 27 more games and you'll get another achievement:

Fallout: New VegasCaravan MasterThe Caravan Master achievement in Fallout: New Vegas worth 93 pointsWin 30 games of Caravan.


(Also, there's a challenge for losing caravan 5 times, it gives you some XP so when you're done with the achievement you can quickly go for that as well)
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19 Oct 2010 19:20

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I don't know how this earned a thumbs down, you explained it MUCH better than the game could.
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By Smeds on 20 Oct 2010 02:58
Also, my game defaulted to trying to play a number card on/next to another number card. You actually have to move it down a spot and play it below the number card. I don't know if anyone else had that issue.
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By SadBloke on 20 Oct 2010 03:15
^ So it's a constant thing, not a bug? Either way I just put an extra note in the solution. Better safe than sorry. Thanks for the tip :)
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By RadiantViper on 09 Nov 2011 02:43
To sort of confirm, check this out:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/959557-fallout-new-vegas/ans...

Looks like I'm not the only one after all!
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By Octobot Super on 09 Nov 2011 12:19
I was like 50 hours into the game with hundreds of caravan cards before I realized that something had to be wrong, as the game was telling me that I didn't have a caravan deck every time I tried to play. Turns out you have to talk to Ringo or you'll never be able to play at all.

I'm sort of wondering why no one else has had this problem, as the game doesn't MAKE you talk to Ringo. I feel that someone other than me has to have forgotten to enter the Goodsprings gas station. It's not that far fetched of a scenario...
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By Octobot Super on 08 Nov 2011 13:30
Thanks for explaining, Caravan Is fucking retarded...
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By CracKforBrumak on 25 Oct 2010 15:40
^ Agree. Love Fallout...hate Caravan.
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By Drachen77 on 03 Nov 2010 21:20
"Caravan confuses the hell out of me"
Yeah, when I started to play this Game it was like "what the fuck? No way, I never play this retarded Card Game!" then I saw that there are Achievements for it and I was like "omg you are kiddin' me -.-" thumps up, I try to get this Achievement ^^
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By Skirmed on 06 Dec 2010 10:43
Thx for the tips - glad I ain't the only one that's somewhat confused about how this game works - even when you figure it out, it's still hard to win. Never again. They can keep this game in the wasteland - it's just a kick in the head.
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By TheJimiHippie on 01 Jul 2011 02:26
You can also play with Ringo at the Crimson Caravan (East of Freeside) if you've progressed beyond that first quest in Goodsprings.
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By TOTHEXXXTREME on 14 Jul 2011 16:22
I think that is just how the game was designed SadBloke. Both me and a friend had the game automatically put number cards on/next to the last card in a caravan.
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By NManders on 20 Oct 2010 13:38
a quick tip -- make sure that when you pick cards for your deck, you have all of the 10s, and all of the Kings (I made sure I had every 8 & 9 too). Don't hit the 'randomize deck' option; i did that a few times when I was trying to figure out how to play, and it is no help. If you have to sacrifice cards to have all the ones you want, get rid of the jokers. I never used them, and I won consistently.
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By erase yr face on 20 Oct 2010 23:14
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This is not at all a hard achievment to get. First off, when starting off a game (after finishing Ain't That a Kick in the Head and Exiting the House) head to the gas station in Goodsprings. In there should be a man named Ringo, he will seem paranoid at first, but just simply tell him you mean him no harm, then proceed to say you will play caravan with him.

Next, you will go to another screen where you will make a bet. You can either hit a to automaticly bet, or hit x to manually enter a bet. You will then be sent to a confusing screen with cards. All of the cards will be face up. You will want to flip over all the following cards with the a button: the 6s, 7s, 9s, 10s, and all face cards (jack, queen, ect.) and jokers face down. Then you will be sent to another confusing screen. Use the anolag stick to select any card and then hit left trigger to get rid of them. You can get rid of as many cards as you want until you play your first card. Get rid of all the cards exept the 7s, 9s, and 10s. Then hit a on a 10 and hit a again to play it. Do this until there is 3 10s on the field. If you don't have a another 10 at a point, then play a 9.

Once you have a 10 (or 9) on all 3 areas, you can make a choice. Go place a 9 on a place your oponent is not working on above. To do this, go to a pile, hit up or down until your card turns green, then select it. Next chance, place a seven, on it. Do this on another pile then you will win. Do this for 3 games to get this achievment, then 30 to get another achievment.

Please comment on how I can improve my solution. I am always open to suggestions.
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By FAR BY FAR best best explanation I have found and I've watched videos and read about three hours various how-to's yours was simple easy to understand and I got both achievements. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
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By ZandersMomma817 on 28 Aug 2022 12:47
Still dont fully understand the rules, but used your solution and gained the first achievement about 2mins later, immensely helpful! Thanks ever so much for such an easy to understand solution, the others confused the living hell outta me :-/

Positive feedback happily left :-)

Now to win another 27 hands!
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By KILL KR4ZY on 23 Oct 2012 13:34
It's an easy game. Look in your pip-boy notes to get the best directions. Caravans have to be made up of a collection of ascending or descending cards that equal 21-27. You must build stronger and more caravans than your opponent. Also, this is very important, if the card you are placing is of the same suit, it does not matter if it goes along with ascending/descending pattern of the caravan. It will play.

The king is the most valuable card as it doubles whatever card it is placed next to, even the CPU's side. So for example, the CPU has just placed a 5 to make 25 as his caravan. If you add the king you will bust his caravan and force the CPU to either save his caravan (rarely) or draw a card, and thus one of his caravans is destroyed and you continue building yours. It's a loose combination of the card games, Solitaire and War.

Other tips
~Your starting cards in each of the three caravans should be as close to Ace or 10 as possible. Then you'll want to descend or ascend as needed.
~Queens reverse the ascending/descending order, so lets say your caravan is 10-5-3. You can't put an 8 on there. It wont let you, so then you'd put the Q next to the 3 and next card you can then add the 8.
~Jacks take away cards on the caravans and are about half as valuable as kings when used on the CPU side. You should never need them on your side unless you make a stupid play or you need to take out a card for some reason. Again, you'll rarely need it on your side. However when used against the CPU they can take away his caravan-completing card.
~The game is a lot more difficult-sounding than it really is.
~Autosave before you play
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24 Oct 2010 16:35

I would like to also add something here.

I watched jack's way and i believe that is the best one. The actual game once i understood it is not that hard it reminds me of spades a little.

1 tip here and some people may have missed this because i know i did and i became extremely frustrated. To place your cards scroll down with your left stick when placing cards. I know when I was first trying to play caravan the only cards i could post were king, queen, joker, and this was because when I was trying to post another card for my caravan pile i wasnt trying to place the card below the first one.
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28 May 2011 12:32

The bases about how to play the game seem already covered by the above solutions. It gets easier to understand the more you play it and since you have to WIN 30 times, you'll get used to it. The only cards that I couldn't figure their purpose by myself were the Joker and the Queen. Interesting enough, the AI does NOT use neither of them... (probably because they're crap).

EDIT: if you want in-game instructions about the Caravan rules, go to the city/settlement you start at (Goodsprings) and talk to Ringo, the guy inside the gas station. An item will be added to your inventory for you to read. Ringo is also an opponent fairly easy to beat at Caravan. Keep reading if you want further advice on the game and how to beat more difficult opponents.

What I think it's important to add to what's already been said before is this: if you need to build up your deck (you need at least 30 cards in order to play Caravan), once you find someone who sells a bunch of cards (for me it was a cowboy named Dale Barton, at the entrance of Caesar's camp) then buy - preferably - whatever 10, 9, 7, King and Jack cards they have. After you bought the ones available, press cn_back to wait 48-72 hours and then check what they're selling again. Repeat until you have at least four of each of the mentioned cards (except Kings and Jacks, which you don't need necessarily that many) . That way you can build up your deck properly and real quick. Be careful while awaiting if you're playing on Hardcore mode because your character dehydrates, get hungry and sleepy over time and you can end up dying if you don't pay attention and tend to those needs.

On the rooster teeth video they only mention the 10s, 9s and 7s, but I figured that you get sabotaged by the AI too many times and will waste time loosing matches unless you sabotage it back too. The King doubles the value of whatever card you put it close to. So, let's say that the AI has already completed a perfect 26 pile using whatever cards and a 10. If you place your king besides that 10, then the pile's total goes to 36 instead, forcing the AI to start it over (just like it does to you sometimes). Now, when you use the Jack against one of the AI's piles it removes some or all of the cards, which is also useful when the enemy has already made a perfect 26 pile.

Other tips to play and win
1- DELETING "TIED PILES": sometimes both of you will have a 26 pile in front of the other. In those cases, in order for you to win the game, try to build up the other two 26 piles and when you do, remove (cn_RT) that 1 pile of yours that is tied to the opponent's. Don't ask me why, but you'll win the game in those situations only when you remove the one that's tied;

2- KEEPING SABOTAGED PILES FOR A WHILE: if the AI has sabotaged, let's say with a King, one of your "perfect 26" piles, forget that one for a while and focus on the other two, the reason being that the AI will keep throwing other kings at that same pile, which is better than having it sabotage multiple or different piles. When you complete 26 on the other two piles, choose that one that was screwed to be deleted (cn_RT) so you can win the match;

3- TRY NOT GO "ALL-IN": I had a lot of caps/money when I first started to play Caravan. I was tempted to try and double that money, but everytime I went "all-in" the AI beat me, no matter how well I played. So, maybe it's rigged if you bet big amounts. In any case, on the betting screen try only to match (cn_A) the AI's bet and focus on just unlocking the achievement instead;

4- SAVE OFTEN: after each game you win, SAVE the game. That way you can loose a match and start a new one right away or reload the save if you prefer. When I was learning how play this I lost 3 times in a row, "small amounts" (considering the total caps I had), but then I started winning it all that back, so I didn't loose any money at all. At other times my console froze unexpectedly but I never lost progress because I was continuing saving;

I tried my best sharing the most important stuff that I've learned. If these tips help you in any way, you can leave a comment and a positive feedback/thumbs up. Cheers.
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20 Sep 2015 20:51

See Caravan Master

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I'm currently on 57 wins and 9 losses, I did loads earlier for zero payout so I'm assuming you have to win money for them to count.
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19 May 2024 20:13

Caravan is a game that you can play with almost anyone who is willing to trade. I highly suggest talking to Ringo in his Goodsprings hideout, as if you talk to him about Caravan he'll give you a Caravan deck for free. Otherwise you'll have to find the cards and construct the deck yourself. The rules to Caravan are printed in the game's manual, but a quick summary follows.

  • The goal is to get your three piles with total values between 21 and 26 in each.
  • When all three columns between you and your opponent have at least one completed stack, the game ends. Player with the most completed stacks wins.
  • Top card (the last card played on top of the pile) determines suit, top card and second-to-last cards determine direction. All cards played on stack must follow direction or suit.
  • Aces worth one point, Face cards and Jokers have special effects.
  • You can play Face cards and Jokers on your opponent's piles.

See "Caravan Master" for some strategies.

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The rules are very confusing, and a complete list will only cause confusion in your head. To win, you need to collect at least 2 of the three winning combinations (caravan). A caravan is a stack of cards that are folded in a certain order. The caravan is considered completed if it has from 21 to 26 points, which are calculated as the sum of all cards in the pile. For example, a stack of 10, 9 and 7 is a assembled caravan worth 26 points. This is the combination we will use.

The cards in the caravan must be stacked in ascending or descending order, i.e. 10, 9, 7, or 7, 9, 10. While 7, 10, 9 is not a caravan.

At the beginning of the game we choose bets, some NPCs bet 1 cap, and some 1000, so it’s an individual matter.

After betting, we select game cards, this means that from the entire pile of cards in our inventory we need to choose 30 that suit us. According to the strategy, we need to select all cards 10, 9, 7, and discard the rest. If you have less than 30 cards you need, then choose any others.

Now we need to lay out the solitaire game into 3 columns. Caravans are compared in pairs, so while the computer is trying to add up one caravan, we quickly add up the other 2 from tens, nines and sevens. I hope there will be no problems with laying out the 3 cards in order. In the end we win.

The rules of the caravan are quite confusing, but this strategy allows you to win in most cases, and if you are unlucky, then load the save and try again." (C)

I’ll add on my own that you can collect starting combinations in an open fan by discarding all other cards except 10, 9 and 7, but you need to discard them BEFORE you put the first card in each caravan! In this case, the enemy does not put anything on the table and waits for you, that is, victory is 99% guaranteed. You can lose with this strategy only if you terribly blunt or discard by mistake the card that was needed for the caravan. It is better to enter the game with 30 cards - less time is wasted.
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