Alpha Protocol

Alpha Protocol

50 Achievements

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50-60h

Xbox 360
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Youth Trumps Experience

Youth Trumps Experience

By carefully pushing his buttons, you provoked Marburg into fighting to the death.

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How to unlock the Youth Trumps Experience achievement in Alpha Protocol - Definitive Guide

I provide a summary of the achievement and if you require more detail look at the full detail version

SUMMARY
There are 2 requirements for this acheivement :
- Marburg dislikes you (meaning : below -3 like), easily done by using only suave answers with him.
- Since the beginning of your current playthrough, you must have used more suave answers than pro and agressive.

Dossier on Marburg MAY be inconsequential, since 83% is enough (and the convo with Marburg mentions facts you dont know at 83%).
- Thanks to Omegalite
FULL DETAIL
This is what worked for me and is not the only solution to this achievement. I provide a detailed runthorugh of where most of the negative reputation is gained and his dossiers. I also provide Madisons dossiers because there might be a link between her and Conrad.

You can either follow my way or just do what everyone else has been saying & just act suave when you meet Conrad Marburg & you should kill him at the end of Rome (This does not always work!!)

Youth Trumps Experience
(By carefully pushing his buttons, you provoked Marburg into fighting to the death.)

Objective
-To Make Conrad Marburg Fight You At The End Of The Museum Mission In Rome

Guide

First You must make sure that the majority of the speech options are suave (blue) when talking to people at the beginning of the game (This will give you a "Suave" perk which may be crucial to getting Conrad Marburg to talk differently to you)

-Started Game: Freelancer (Probably Doesn't Make Any Difference What You Start As)
-Difficulty: Easy As I've Already Done It On Hard (Again Probably Doesn't Matter)

Saudi

-Executed Nasri
-Executed Shaheed

Rome

-Mina On Conrad (Dossier) 16%
-CIA Non Lethal (You Could Just Shoot Everyone If You Like)
-CIA Second Floor In Dufflebag On Conrad (Dossier) 33%
-Gelato Shop Executed Guy
-Email CIA Intercept/Gelato Shop Intercept On Conrad (Dossier) 50%
-Mina On Madison (Dossier) 25%
-Shot No-One Leading Up to Jibril Then Executed Him
-Conrad Sent Email "Taunt" Him

Went To Moscow
[To Visit Another Safehouse Press Back Button, Intel And Press LT/RT Until You Get To Choose A Different Place To Go]

-Received Reply From Conrad Email
-Leningrad Train Station (Only Time I Used Aggressive Stance To Make Sie Like Me) Impressed SIE At End

Back To Rome

-Clearing House Before Cafe Meeting On Conrad (Dossier) 66%

Cafe Meeting

Remember Because Your Majority Of Your Previous Stances Were Suave Conrad Should Say Something Along The Lines Of "more prone to talking than taking action". Otherwise it May Void Your Achievement - Thanks To doomedtolive
-Suave (Introduction?) -1
-Suave (Broadcast) -1 (Trail All Over Rome [Killed Someone in Rome -- Jibril, Gelato Shop Guy or CIA]) -1 (Must Have Used Suave For Most Of Previous Conversations, Otherwise 0 For Being Agressive or +1 For Being Professional) -1 (Interaction With SIE in Moscow)
-Suave (Suave) All Options Give 0 Rep
-Aggressive (Threaten) -1 (Tried Suave But Gave Me 0 Rep)
-Suave (Questioning) All Options Give 0 Rep
-Suave (Bluff) -1
-Suave (Persuade) -1
-I managed -7 Rep With Conrad After This but I heard Its Possible To Get The Achievement With Less

Back To Safehouse

-Clearing House Before Meeting On Madison (Dossier) 50%

Villa

-Suave (Dismissive) All Options Give 0 Rep
-Suave (Bluff) -1
-I managed -8 Rep With Conrad After This
-Madison (Handler) [Doubt It Makes A Difference To Whom You Choose]
-Suitcase Downstairs Near Piano on Madison (Dossier) 75%
-Suitcase In Secret Tunnel Right In Gardens On Conrad (Dossier) 83%
[It Has Been Said That To Gain Access To The Secret Tunnel You Must Purchase The Map In The Clearinghouse Before You Start This Mission (To Be Safe By Everything Related To This Mission In The Clearinghouse)]

Back To Safehouse

-Did Warehouse Mission Next
-Then Ruins Mission
-Ruins - Next To Comm Array, Suitcase On Madison (Dossier) 100%
-Romanced Madision " Check On Her" Rep With Her +4
-Revealed Secret On Madison By Sleeping With Her (Secret Fact)

It Is Not Necessary To Sleep With Madison To Get The Secret Fact Just Make Sure That You Have A Good Reputation With Her And She Will Tell You Before The Museum Mission -- Thanks To Daradarka
Museum

-Before Going West/East Wing Go Through Locked Door, Secret On Conrad (Dossier) 100%
-I Chose To Save Madison

Ending Summary

So Before Meeting Conrad For The Final Scene I Have The Following:

-100% Dossier On Conrad
-Conrads Secret Fact Is Not Available Before This (It Can Be Found Though At The End Game By Hacking A Computer Before The Interrogation Room That Scarlet Is In)
-(-8) Reputation With Conrad
-100% Dossier On Madison + Secret Fact On Madison (Doubt It Matters)

Whichever Path You Choose Is Up To You Depending On What Other Achievements You're Going For. Although Choosing To Defuse The Bomb Gives An Additional -1 Rep
(Choosing To Save Madison)

*Before 1st Fight With Conrad

-Suave (Contempt)

*Before 2nd Fight With Conrad

-Suave (Taunt)
-Suave (Taunt)

(Choosing To Defuse Bomb)

*Before 1st Fight With Conrad

-Suave (Contempt) -1 (You Get A +1 For Choosing To Defuse The Bomb)
-Suave (Mocking)
-Suave (Mocking) -1

*Before 2nd Fight With Conrad

-Suave (Taunt)
-Suave (Taunt)


Video Of What Is Suppose To Happen Is Provided By Kahdeksan And Not Me
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09 Jun 2010 14:40

7 Comments
@ Daradarka Okay will add that to the guide above
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By Kwokowski on 28 Jul 2010 15:18
I dont get it man, I followed this guide to the letter and instead of working it actually cut off one of the options and stopped me from getting the achievement. Wtf?
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By doomedtolive on 09 Aug 2010 07:29
got it! might wanna add to the guide that if you do enough suave answers before talking to him the first time there will be a trigger phrase that he says in the start of the cafe meeting. He will mention that you are a person more prone to talking than taking action. If you dont get him to say this, Im pretty sure that you wont fight him the second time.
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By doomedtolive on 12 Aug 2010 03:45
@ doomedtolive Okay will add to the guide as I haven't made it that clear. Thanks :o)
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By Kwokowski on 12 Aug 2010 12:51
I didnt have enough suave responses (thus I couldnt kill him) so I dashboarded and loaded last safehouse savegame, then I did taipei using all suave responses possible. It worked. When I went back to marburg, I got to kill him even though he didnt tell me "more prone to talking than taking action" (but the opposite) in the cafe meeting.
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By omegalite on 20 Jan 2011 13:43
this is a prefect guide its worked well so far but where you have said that u unlock the secret fact my sleeping with madison but whilst i was going threw this i chose not to sleep with her to help my get the achivement for not being seduced and she still told me her secret
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By Daradarka on 28 Jul 2010 05:07
@ doomedtolive Some people have been finding this achievement dodgy. I played through 3 times before I got it. I listed how to get the most -Rep I believe possible from this guy, and getting his and other peoples dossiers. Have you tried the alternative option (save Madison/disarm bomb)??? Maybe your past actions weren't correct - too much professional choices. or the fact I started with freelancer?? That's all I can think of!!
This game has a tendancy to give a alternative path for even a small difference. You could try going to the xbox360achievement alpha protocol forum (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=...)or a forum on this site to see what others have done. But I'm not sure whether its as detailed as mine
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By Kwokowski on 09 Aug 2010 14:40
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Here's what you need to kill him:

Reputation with Conrad Marburg: -4 Answer blue/Suave at every chance with him, and save Madison.

Dossier on Marburg: 66% This is where I was when I got it. Lower might work. Buy the Intel relating to him, and before saving Madison, go to the right, there's an (easy) lock on a door to your left. Inside is a dossier on him. That'll get you to at least 50%.

Razor Wit: Answer Blue/Suave for the entirety of 10 conversations. Self-explanatory. Heck in Taiwan and Gregori in Moscow are both easily accessed and respond well to full conversations in Suave. Your first conversation with Marburg can count towards this, and I assume your second can as well. You'll want it before entering the museum.

You'll get the perk "You talking to me?" once he's been provoked, and the achievement once he's down. Enjoy.
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04 Aug 2011 21:25

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Razor Wit is the key. I have Marburg at -6 and the dossier at 66% and he runs like a coward.
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By AxGryndr on 16 Feb 2013 06:30
I agree totally don't go for this unless you have razor wit
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By Lockyz75 on 13 May 2013 19:16
Definitely don't work at -3.
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By ReliantGung ho on 14 Feb 2015 18:19
I got this at -6 with Razor Wit. Dossier was only at 16% so it doesnt appear that matters. Just keep using "Taunt" against him
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By on 28 Mar 2023 01:49
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Here's what you need to kill him:

Reputation with Conrad Marburg: -4 Answer blue/Suave at every chance with him, and save Madison.

Dossier on Marburg: 66% This is where I was when I got it. Lower might work. Buy the Intel relating to him, and before saving Madison, go to the right, there's an (easy) lock on a door to your left. Inside is a dossier on him. That'll get you to at least 50%.

Razor Wit: Answer Blue/Suave for the entirety of 10 conversations. Self-explanatory. Heck in Taiwan and Gregori in Moscow are both easily accessed and respond well to full conversations in Suave. Your first conversation with Marburg can count towards this, and I assume your second can as well. You'll want it before entering the museum.

You'll get the perk "You talking to me?" once he's been provoked, and the trophy once he's down. Enjoy.
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20 May 2018 16:30

During the mission "Contact Jibril-Al-Bara/Contact Halbech Informant" in Rome, you will finally meet with Marburg. Marburg absolutely hates Suave responses, so from the moment you meet him, always use them. Marburg will dislike you very quickly with Suave, which is needed if you want to provoke him.

Finally, during the mission "Intercept Marburg at the Museum of Art", you will have your chance. Before the boss fight, you'll be able to talk yet again. Always Taunt him, and he will dislike you even more. Eventually, when you are about to kill him, he will talk to you yet again. Once more, do nothing but Taunt him. If done correctly, you will piss him off to the point where he will yet again try to kill you. Simply take him out one more time for the achievement.

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For these two trophies, your reputation score with Marburg is key. Obviously for Respected Enemies you will want a high reputation, and for Youth Trumps Experience a very low reputation.

Important Note: Marburg's reaction to you is affected by your overall choices throughout the entire game up to the point you encounter him. If your total number of Suave choices exceed the total Aggressive or Professional choices, you will receive -1 reputation with Marburg. If your total Aggressive is higher, there will be no change, and if your total Professional choices is higher you will receive +1 reputation. This is checked once during the "Contact Jibril Al-Bara" mission, and and once at the start of your fight with him in the museum for a possible range of +2 to -2.

What may also be a factor is completing your dossier on Marburg, as that will sometimes have an affect on what options are available in the dialogue. You can get it to 100% before the fight, which will net you the "Know Your Rival" perk and give you an extra 5% damage.

Marburg Dossier locations:

  • First arrival at Rome safehouse (16%)
  • CIA Listening Post - 2nd Floor, north east room against north wall near whiteboard. (33%)
  • Email from NSA Echelon tap (50%)
  • Purchased mission intel for "Contact Halbech Informant" (66%)
  • Secret room behind garden hose in Marburg's Villa (83%)
  • Door just to left of East Wing entrance in Museum (100%)

During the Cafe talk, the following other factors will also have an affect on Marburg:

  • SIE (if alive): Positive rep (-1 Marburg) / Negative rep (+1 Marburg)
  • No enemies alerted/killed in either the "Bug CIA Listening Post" or "Intercept NSA Intelligence" missions, and did not kill Al-Bara (+2 Marburg)

Conversation Path for Maximum Reputation Loss:

  • Cafe conversation - - - - - - -
  • Villa conversation -
  • Bomb defuse conversation - - -
  • Mid-battle conversation -

Conversation Path for Maximum Reputation Gain:

  • Always pick

By the end of the boss fight in the Museum if your reputation is at +10 with Marburg, you will have the option to let him go, netting you the Respected Enemies trophy. If he is at -10 you will provoke him into finishing the fight instead of fleeing, unlocking Youth Trumps Experience after he is dead.

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