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Epic Raider

Epic Raider

Complete a Raid on hard difficulty.

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How to unlock the Epic Raider achievement in Destiny - Definitive Guide

Im adding this guide just to tell you how to access the hard difficulty. How to play it shouldnt be much different than the regular except the enemies are higher level and the Heroic modifier is on which adds more enemies.

EDIT 1: ItsJust1n has also informed us that there are no team revives for this difficulty of the raid.
However, anyone down can be revived automatically once the team hits a checkpoint, or if they have self revive as a sunsinger warlock.

Step 1: Defeat normal raid. Hard unlocks after you beat this.

Step 2: Advance to level 30. The enemies in here begin at level 29, and go up to 30, so anything less than the 30 max level will make this more difficult than need be, though it is possible as 29. This is because for every level under an enemy you are you get roughly a negative 1/4 damage multiplier, which is also why if you are more than 3 levels under the mission it will show "Impossible" and not start.

Step 3: The only way to reach level 30 currently is by obtaining the full set of normal raid armor. That is because though this armor is purple in rarity, it acts as exotic and can get up to Light +30. A full set of this, or one exotic added, maxed out will net you level 30.

EDIT 2: Further details on leveling to 29/30 come in from HolyHa1fDead. Level 30 is 120 Light. Level 29 requires 109 Light. Fully upgraded Legandary gear is 27 Light, so you will need either one piece of Exotic gear or Raid gear to get to Level 29. You will also need at least 62 Ascendant Shards.

EDIT 3: With the level cap increased to 40 now, this is relatively easy to pop on Vault of Glass or Crota. Unconfirmed for Prison of Elders lvl 35.

EDIT 4 10/13/15: VoG and Crota appear to be working for this again after the most recent patch

I will add to this if anything else comes up. If you down vote, please say why. Any thing you think would be a good addition, let me know
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Thanks for all the information!
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By Because Im Ryan on 20 Sep 2014 14:22
Is it possible? Hate Bungie! They making me crazy. I'm playing 12 hours in a day to get 1000G
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By BiathlonLax on 21 Sep 2014 08:04
Well that answers my question of what the max level is in this game for right now.
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By BatMatt93 on 21 Sep 2014 08:42
Thanks for the info. I have a long way to go before I even attempt this cheeve.
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By DillionDay on 21 Sep 2014 17:55
Also you can't revive your teammates on hard once your dead your dead that makes the warlock class so special for this achievement ducks for us hunters and the titans.
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By Jeigh on 22 Sep 2014 11:55
No revives? So you have to pass every checkpoint with a full team? Those two achievements are not even funny...
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By SiegfriedX on 22 Sep 2014 23:49
siegfriedx, it says your teammates WILL revive once you pass a checkpoint.
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By QuickMythril on 30 Sep 2014 20:41
I did this with a team of all 29's and it wasnt that bad. There are no lvl 32 monsters and you need to be a minimum of lvl 28 to get into, not 30.
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By VioLeNcE NLC on 04 Oct 2014 15:11
Also the only piece of raid gear you cannot get on normal is the helmet. You have to play the raid on hard to get it. An exotic helmet is the only way to get 30 without doing the raid on hard.
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By Fuzzmeister J on 10 Oct 2014 18:33
If anyone wants Atheon checkpoint I have it until Tuesday, just add me and send me a message and ill give to you
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By Strategy One on 18 Oct 2014 18:10
You need 81 shards to get to level 30, at a minimum. Also, your guide does not offer any advice once you actually get into the raid.
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By Edward Hyena on 23 Oct 2014 05:59
I personally reckon you need at least 2 level 30s and rest 29s to do this (as 30s need to hold relics due to damage negatives for lower levels). You can currently achieve level 30 also with iron banner armour from the limited time event-you still need some raid/exotic armour as I believe it's only boots and gauntlets available through iron banner. You need a pretty high rank to buy them though, 4 for the gauntlets and it will reset after each event.
Also worth noting on hard there are more gorgons so the route required is slightly different
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By HiradC on 20 Nov 2014 07:26
The update released on 9th Dec 2014 now allows everyone to purchase Legendary armor that can be upgraded to Light 33. Exotic armor and Crota's End raid DLC armor can be upgraded to Light 36. Everyone can now get to Level 31 (Light 132) with 4 pieces of new Legendary armor, whilst those with the DLC can get to Level 32 (Light 144).

That means you can now attempt this with a group of 6 Level 31 guardians and maybe with some already at Level 32. Not to mention weapon damage has been increased from 300 to 331.

The hard Crota's End raid is going to be Level 33, and will be unlocked in early 2015.
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By HolyHalfDead on 30 Dec 2014 03:06
Does anyone know if you have to beat the entire raid on hard, like can you just beat Aethon on hard and still get the achiev?
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By my BACON will on 10 Jan 2015 05:47
I can confirm that you don't have to do the entire raid to get the achiev. I started after the Templar and got the achiev.
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By my BACON will on 14 Jan 2015 20:37
This guide needs updated, current level cap is 34 you can get to level 32 just purchasing vanguard and crucible armor I started this game 2 weeks ago and was level 32 before the end of the 2nd week making this achievement much easier not to mention max damage is 365 now. When you update this guide I'll change my negative vote to a positive.
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By QcK Dagger HeaT on 01 Jun 2015 08:39
That's a bit harsh, it was correct at the time of writing and the advice to advance to level 30 is still sound.

I am wondering that since the L32 Prison of Elders counts for
DestinyRaiderThe Raider achievement in Destiny worth 45 pointsComplete a Raid.
whether L35 PoE (or even L34 PoE) counts for this achievement.
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By HolyHalfDead on 11 Jun 2015 02:44
Epic Raider Achievement with Stallion83 http://youtu.be/gV4VIBixAR0
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By Silent iz loud on 13 Jul 2015 11:02
Hmmm, completed VoG hard and didn't get credit for the achievement. Got credit for it on my Moments of Triumph list...

Might also need to update the guide on which raids count. It could e that since VoG is 2 tiers behind us now, that it no longer counts.
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By StarlinX on 13 Sep 2015 01:50
A ton of people got the achievement yesterday (and one today) so it must be obtainable now. I had to download an update so I assume it fixed it, though I obviously don't know which raid they did.
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By LV 1 Blue Slime on 14 Oct 2015 04:40
I did Kings Fall on Hard and got both Kings Fall raid achievements, but I did not get this achievement. So, there's a chance that it may not unlock after completing Kings Fall raid. There has been a couple of updates though, so I don't know if that's got anything to do with it not unlocking. I'd say it's a possible hit or miss with the Kings Fall raid.
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By SkydivingFalcon on 19 Apr 2016 04:52
Me and my cousin need help with this achievement if there is anyone willing to help, just add me and send a dm. Thanks in advance! 😸
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By Irru3nto OG on 08 Mar 2021 03:20
This just popped for me on King's Fall hard 310. Just an FYI.
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By Vokul Vegan on 21 Apr 2022 01:44
I suspect in the future, more DLC will come out, which will add new raids, that are harder and drop better gear and even the level cap may increase, meaning that in the future this raid on hard will likely become, but that could be far away :)
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By Not Ultimate on 25 Sep 2014 21:08
As already mentioned, level 30 is 120 Light. Level 29 requires 109 Light. Fully upgraded Legandary gear is 27 Light, so you will need either one piece of Exotic gear or Raid gear to get to Level 29. You will also need at least 62 Ascendant Shards.
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By HolyHalfDead on 05 Oct 2014 10:41
- You do not need to unlock the Hard Raid to be able to join a Hard Raid.

- You can unlock the Hard Raid by beating a Hard Raid that you joined.

- Unlocking the Hard Raid will only unlock it for that character.

- If you haven't already completed the Normal Raid that week, you will get double loot drops which can be all Hard Raid loot. For example for defeating Atheon you might get the Vex Mythoclast, Raid Helmet and Aspect of Glass ship if you haven't already defeated Atheon in the Normal Raid. So if it is Hard Raid loot you are after, it is best to stop doing the Normal Raid.
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By HolyHalfDead on 11 Nov 2014 03:33
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DISCLAIMER: This guide is intended for people who don't have a dedicated group of 6 to play with (or just don't want to do the whole raid, I suppose) and I'm going to focus on the Vault of Glass for those without the DLC (like myself). The general premise works for the Crota's End raid (which people tell me is easier in general) but I don't have the experience with it to write an in depth guide. If you do feel free to share in the comments.

How to prep yourself: lxl Linc lxl covered this pretty well so credit where credit is due to him but I'll update things a little with new developments. How to unlock hard raid hasn't changed, beat it on normal first.
Next up, be level 30+. This is a LOT easier now that the level cap has been raised to 32. You can buy legendary gear from the vanguards/crucible/various factions that will let you get to 31 in combination with an exotic armor piece. Buy those and upgrade them. This will take time, but farming raid, public events, daily story, etc will help get the ascendant shards faster.
Oh yeah, and have a mic, communication is key.

Now you're ready. Let the guide begin.

This website is your friend, it's full of people looking for raid parties you can message about joining:
destinylfg.net

If you look around you'll notice that you can sort out the postings by what event you want to do. I'm going to suggest you set that to Raids-Vault of Glass-Hard-Atheon. Why? Because you don't have to complete the entire raid to get this achievement, as long as you kill Atheon you'll get it. The postings are pretty active so you shouldn't have a huge problem finding people who already have the checkpoint at Atheon unless you're playing at weird hours. Just send the posters a message with your class, level, gamertag, and any other pertinent info they might want to know and let them invite you to their fireteam. The site is pretty busy so you may need to message a few groups to find one that still has open spots, just keep at it.

Now you're in so I'll give you my guide to killing Atheon.

Basic Rundown of what's going to happen: Same as the normal raid for the most part. Atheon will appear and send 3 guardians at random to either Mars or Venus to grab the relic and kill oracles while the other three open up the portal for their return, HOWEVER, on hard the people who don't get sent away will be put in a stasis bubble they must shoot their way out of (similar to what happens in the templar fight). PRO TIP: don't use rockets to shoot your way out, you'll kill yourself and won't be able to respawn on hard. Once everyone is out of the portal collapse to the middle to unload on atheon while to relic holder protects you from atheon. Wash, rinse, repeat until he's dead. I've done it in two iterations of this before, not sure if you can do it in one.

IN DEPTH GUIDE

Now I'll go through what you should be doing at each step along the way and in each role. Basic Relic info first:
If you don't have experience with the relic don't take it unless you have to. That said, if you have it the important thing to know is you need to kill the enemies where you get teleported. I find doing a ground pound the best (jump + RB when in air). From there you need to escort the two killing oracles while using LB to cleanse them so they can see. Once through the portal run to the island in the middle and just hold LB while everyone fires at Atheon.

TELEPORTATION-Mars

In my opinion, this is what you want to happen because I find Mars easier to deal with than Venus. CALL OUT WHERE YOU GOT TELEPORTED IMMEDIATELY, it's just plain easier this way. The relic holder needs to run right at the 3 hobgoblins in the center. Usually 2 are close enough to kill in one ground pound, then repeat on the remaining one. Then run back to the two teleported with you to cleanse them repeatedly. If you're killing oracles do your best to stay with the other guy doing it with you (AKA your battle buddy) as you slowly move towards the gate, it's a lot easier for the relic handler to cleanse the two of you if you're together. OF INTEREST: Golden gun DOES WORK on the oracles, a hunter with Achlyophage Symbiote is a huge plus for this part. It may be best for the relic holder to head out the gate first so he can set up his LB in the island in the middle for everyone to collapse to but it's not totally necessary. When you go through the portal the center island will be on your left (this is useful since you can lose sense of your orientation going through the portal)

I know what you're thinking now: "But LethargicVirus0, what do I do if I don't get teleported?" Never fear, I gotchu bro. Start by shooting your containment shield off you (not with rockets!!!) and help anyone else still dealing with theirs when you're done. Then go to the sync plate associated with the planet you're teammate is on (from where you spawn Mars in on the left and Venus is on the right). For Mars I would have one guy stand on the pillar in the sync plate and the others on the larger pillar between the sync plate and the portal, just make sure someone is on the plate keeping the portal open. From here just kill the supplicants, watch out as they'll explode when they die and can kill you. Once they've been killing oracles for a while call out to your teammates which way they need to turn when they come out (for Mars it's left). This is helpful because you can visualize where they'll be coming through better than they will. Once they're through get to the middle island and inside the relic's cleanse shield.

TELEPORTATION-Venus

The same basic rules apply from the Mars teleportation but there's a few other tricks to this. First, the relic holder will likely need help taking out the minotaur that spawns on Venus. He's usually on the left side so just throw a grenade down there if you're on Venus and not carrying the relic. Relic holder: go for the minotaur first since he'll kill you the fastest if left alive, then kill the goblins. Then proceed on just like on Mars except this time when you go through the portal you'll need to turn right to get to the center island.

Now, if you don't get teleported your job is a little bit more complex than for Mars. It starts the same, get rid of the containment and open the portal. The spacing I like for this is two on the pillar in the sync plate for Venus and one on the taller pillar over by the Mars portal. There's two reasons for this: 1) the supplicants swarm around the Venus sync plate more than the mars so keep someone on the other side to shoot them away while not at a large risk of getting blown up and 2) sometimes the people who get teleported need help killing the oracles in there. Once the portal is open one of the two on the Venus pillar can run in the portal and shoot the oracles as well. Problem with this is once you go in you will start to go blind and won't be in a good position to get cleansed so I advise going in, shooting what you can, go back out while you can still see enough and jump to the center island and let the relic holder make his way to you since he's going there eventually. Going in too early can leave you blind for a while but going in too late can mean missing an oracle and everyone dying, use your best judgement on this one. Don't forget to call out that they need to turn right out of the portal when they return!!

THE (NOT-SO-)LONELY ISLAND

Once you're done with the oracles everyone needs to get to the center island and the relic holder needs to hold LB down the whole time you are there (preferably on the front half of the island). Be sure to stay in his cleanse shield because Atheon will kill you super fast if you leave. The main idea here is Atheon is more susceptible to damage now and you can unload on him with your guns (Ice Breakers are a good idea here). There's a few do's and don'ts I have for this part. I'll start with the don'ts: DO NOT USE ROCKETS!!! Seriously, if you've read this far you should realize that rockets are a bad idea, you're just asking to get yourself blown up. #MachineGunMasterRace. Also, here you'll have ridiculously decreased cooldowns on your super/grenades/melee but I wouldn't use them (aside from defenders but more on that later) since they tend to push Atheon around and can make it harder to hit his crit point. That's about it other than don't leave the shield.

Now for the do's: Titan defender's are a plus here, just equip the Weapons of Light perk for your Ward of Dawn and place it overlapping the back of the cleanse shield like a Venn Diagram (this is why I said the relic holder should put the shield on the front half of the island). Then everyone can just pop in and out and get even more bonus damage on Atheon. Once you have that just unload your guns at his crit point (stomach) while watching the timer on the left. Take responsibility and call out to your teammates when it gets down to 5 seconds or so because from here you have to do a few things.

When that timer hits 0 the relic is going to disappear and with that goes the relic shield so it's on you to avoid Atheon's blasts and there's two main ways to do this. The basic method is for everyone to bail to the sides (towards the sync plates) while the shield is still up except the relic holder who will slowly back up to the back half of the island and then jump off when the relic disappears. If you're going to do this make sure to do it with a few seconds left on the timer because if you're still jumping when Atheon teleports your fireteam again you can get put in containment over the gap and fall to your death.

Now the other method requires at least one titan defender. With 2-3 seconds left he will put up his Ward of Dawn around everyone so that Atheon's blasts will reflect off and everyone is safe. The downside to this method is that being in a Ward of Dawn can make it harder for you to shoot the containment shields on you since you can't shoot out which can delay you opening the portals. I'm throwing this out there because it is an option, not necessarily because I think it's the best option (I do think it's great for normal where there isn't containment shields though).

From here on it's really just repeating the above steps. If you have a full fireteam doing things right it should only take 2-3 teleports to kill Atheon. Use your best judgement, if you think you can use the last few seconds of having the relic to finish Atheon rather than set up for the next teleportation phase do it, just be aware of the risks. The only other thing I haven't really mentioned yet is to pay attention when jumping to and from the island since if you miss you'll die and look like a fool. It sounds silly but it happens for a couple reasons, 1) everyone is going to the same place and it's easy to bump each other off and 2) some people will be partially blind from the oracles so you might not realize you're about to bump into someone.

As with other achievements in this game, it may not pop right when you beat Atheon. Don't worry, you don't have to beat the whole raid on hard from beginning to end. Things you can do to help it pop include waiting (normally a day or two later it will pop when you start up the game) and going to the change character menu and instead of selecting that choose to switch profile. When you log back in it can pop when selecting your guardian. For me personally I switched profiles immediately and it didn't work but when I did it again the next day it popped.

And that's it for the guide folks. I'll update this if I come up with any more tips and tricks while playing or if you guys comment any of your own I'll add them too.
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02 Mar 2015 07:40

If you did this achievement already but it is glitched then watch this video on how to get basically any achievement for destiny which is not unlocking for you as long as you fulfill the requirements for any achievement:
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Thank you. I had known about this, but I recently got last checkpointed in WoM raid on 390 and this didn't pop. Just did this for funsies a month later, and it just popped.
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By Cortanarama on 09 May 2021 00:04
Advance to level 30. The enemies in here begin at level 29, and go up to 30, so anything less than the 30 max level will make this more difficult than need be, though it is possible as 29. This is because for every level under an enemy you are you get roughly a negative 1/4 damage multiplier, which is also why if you are more than 3 levels under the mission it will show "Impossible".

The best way to prepare for the hard raid is be complete the normal raid for raid gear and leveling it up to get the highest light possible.
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02 Nov 2014 20:41

This isn't a complete guide, but instead a couple of tips. The more icebreakers the better on this raid. Not only do they hit like a truck, but way more importantly, they have unlimited ammo. Bring any ammo synthesizes you have in case you run low on ammo. Vision of Confluence is highly reccomended (upgraded to at least have oracle disruptor). This is huge, during atheon what always killed us was the oracles. Oracle disruptor gives a huge damage boost to oracles. A titan with weapons of light helps make short work of Atheon during time's vengeances. Goodluck guys
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25 Dec 2014 21:05

There are 4 Raids available as of February 2017.
1. Vault of Glass is only available for those without DLC, at level 30+.
2. Crota's End with The Dark Below DLC at Level 32+.
3. King's Fall with The Taken King DLC at Level 40 with 310+ Light level.
4. Wrath of the Machine with Rise of Iron DLC at Level 40, with a Light level of 380+. (PS4 Only)

Currently, Crota's End is the easiest to complete, due to the low minimum level requirements and availability of "Sherpas" to carry you though the raid. It is the shortest raid out of the four available. It is possible to 1 man this 6 man raid.

While possible you can stack with Flawless Raider, however due to how easy for you to die during this raid, it would be near impossible.
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25 Feb 2017 22:05

You'll have to complete a raid on the hard difficulty setting, which makes it much more challenging. While this may not be consistent across all raids in the future, in the Vault of Glass, enemies will be tougher, you will not be able to revive fallen allies until you reach the next checkpoint, and certain qualities of the raid are changed. This last bit is hard to pin down and will likely be different from raid to raid. In the VoG, more Oracles spawn during the battle with the Templar, and Atheon spawns detainment shields around anybody he doesn't teleport during the final battle.

This is quite brutal, and is not for the faint of heart. Without a well oiled group working in sync, the raid is nearly impossible on hard. Make sure you go in with friends and be as close to level 30 as you can (tip: you can reach 30 by wearing an exotic helm and normal raid gear in the rest of the slots).

Practice. Practice a lot. Watch videos and read up on the raid you are going to do.

NOTE: Presumably, when the Dark Below launches, the raid will similarly be staggered at levels 28 and 32 (this is speculation), which may allow you to reach a high level 31 or even 32 by completing the normal version of that raid. This can allow you to reach a higher level before returning to do the Vault of Glass raid at level 30. This would almost certainly require that you have the expansion however.
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01 Dec 2014 12:53

Hard difficulty for every raid is locked until that specific raid is completed on Normal difficulty. There is no matchmaking for raids, so finding a good group of players you can communicate with is key.

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Hard difficulty is Heroic. The enemies do more damage and in some areas, there are no revives. Each raid also has several key differences that make it more difficult than normal difficulty. The list of differences is below.

Vault of Glass –

 

  • There are two Oracles at the Templar instead of one.
  • There are more Gorgons in the maze.
  • The guardians that Atheon does not pull through time are detained in a bubble and have to shoot their way out.

Crota’s End –

 

  • There are Hallowed Cursed Thralls and Hallowed Knights in The Pit.
  • A Hallowed Knight will spawn with the Swordbearer at The Bridge.
  • One of the Shriekers in the Thrall-way will respawn.
  • The Deathsinger begins her liturgy sooner.
  • There is no Chalice of Light, meaning that no one can regain health at Crota. There is also a Gatekeeper in the room below the crystal room. If Crota also gets too close to death (1 hit away), he will enrage and kill everyone.

King’s Fall –

 

  • There is no checkpoint during the ship jumping puzzle.
  • The Warpriest glyph sequence is faster and the Warpriest has additional attacks, including a triple seeker shot and a blinding black ball.
  • Golgoroth has an additional modifier given called Unstable Light that will explode after 10 seconds. It is given at random and the Unstable Light will kill any guardian near the explosion (except for the holder). Time in the pool is less.
  • The second Daughter will start her song immediately after the first Daughter is killed. Players will have to quickly adjust after the first Daughter’s death and quickly kill the second.
  • Along with the Ogres, a group of Knights called Light Eaters will also spawn. These Knights will run towards the bombs that drop when the Ogres are killed. If the Light Eaters reach the bombs, they will destroy them.

Wrath of the Machine -

 

  • The larger monitors at Vosik will be the ones to display the SIVA symbol. The doors to each of the four side room will be mostly closed and everyone will have to slide or crouch under to get into the room.
  • There is slightly more time at the Siege Engine, but there will also be a Spider Tank that spawns in when you get the parts close enough to the Siege Engine.
  • There is one turret on each of the three sides and will regenerate 20-30 seconds after it is killed.
  • Aksis will need to be hit with seven bombs to drop his shield.

Recommended Light Levels:
Vault of Glass – 150 or 390
Crota’s End – 170 or 390
King’s Fall - 310 or 390
Wrath of the Machine - 390

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