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On the shoulders of giants

On the shoulders of giants

Had 75% of the vehicle upgrades applied

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How to unlock the On the shoulders of giants achievement in F1 2017 - Definitive Guide

I found this be the most efficient way of getting resource points (easiest difficulty):

1. Go to Practice 1 - Do 1 lap of Track Acclimatization, then Qualifying Pace.
If you perfect them you will get 50 RP each, plus some points for Misc objectives.

2. Now tab right and skip to Qualifying. (You could get 10 RP each for starting P2 & P3 but with loading times its not worth it)

3. Completing one-shot qualifying should give you 85 RP.
(Note, this will decrease slightly as your car gets better)

*Edit - 4. I suggest getting a Grid Drop Penalty by going to Laptop and tab right to Vehicle Management. Select the '+' sign by any of the power units (or Gearbox). You will now start the race in 6th place. Overtaking the other cars will give you an extra 50RP at the end of the race. (I wish I figured this out sooner. 50 extra RP per race is huge).

5. Now start the Race... Do 1 good lap, then pause & Simulate Session.
You will get 1st place giving 55 RP + 1st driver bonus of 25-40 RP.
(If you do all 5 laps you will get 100 RP but again, its not worth it).

Now for spending points (and not wasting them on failed upgrades). - each time you have 1000+ RP to spend, wait until after the race when you can press cn_X to start the Next Weekend.

Instead - Quit to Main Menu, press cn_Y and turn Auto-save OFF.

Go back into Career & purchase any upgrade you like and proceed to next weekend.

If the engineer tells you the upgrade failed just dashboard & quit the game. (If its good then don't forget to save your game soon after).

Now restart the game and make sure to turn Auto-save OFF again (it resets to ON). Repeat the above steps until the upgrade doesn't fail. I chose a different upgrade each time if it failed but I don't know if its necessary.

*Edit - for Major & Ultimate upgrades you can try this method at the very end of a Season, Advancing to next weekend will take 2-3 weeks.

I hope this helps getting faster RP and not wasting it on stupid RNG.
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14 Oct 2017 11:59

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Good to hear, glad it helped
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By Sensei Neo on 26 May 2020 13:05
Unlocked at Silverstone S5

Durability 17/23 (the update that popped the achievement)
Chassis 21/21
Aerodynamics 21/26
Powertrain 13/15
(Competency 12/12)
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By Ian333333 on 20 Mar 2024 19:24
I spent most of the weekend trying various ways to earn RP and broke it down per minute into earnings and can verify this was the most efficient way. I averaged 23RP per minute @5% 1st driver bonus!
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By Legit Spam on 26 May 2020 12:48
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UPDATE: So there doesn't seem to be an exact point at which people are getting this achievement. Some people are getting it at fewer/greater upgrades applied than others. I'll keep my original solution down below, but don't take it as gospel. I've commented on the solution with some calculations on when you SHOULD get the achievement.

Jay ITFC's solution of investing in the efficiency upgrades will help, but I'll also add here that the Durability and Competencies upgrades do not count towards this achievement, so you'll have to invest into the Chassis, Aerodynamics, and Powertrain upgrades. There are 62 upgrades in total for these three sections, so to get 75%, you'll need to purchase 47 upgrades.

Minor upgrades cost 1000 resource points, Major upgrades cost 1500 resource points, and Ultimate upgrades cost 2000 resource points, but with the aforementioned efficiency upgrades, you can reduce these costs by up to 50%.

There's no fast way to earn resource points, so your best bet is to complete as many Practice Programmes as you can. Occasionally, you may earn Sponsor bonuses of 750 resource points, and after the end of every season, you'll earn a set amount of resource points, depending on how well you did in the season.

It took me 4 and a half seasons to get this achievement, so just stick with it, and you'll be fine.
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09 Sep 2017 18:28

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Well I just got this achievement and here are my findings.

I had 49 upgrades from Chassis, Aerodynamics, and Powertrain and still no achievement so I decided to work on the durability (yellow) upgrades. Lots of people (yourself included) claim that these are not necessary for this achievement but guess what . . . . . as I unlocked the 21st Durability upgrade (21/23) the "On the shoulders of giants" achievement popped.

Now, the only thing that you and I have in common is that we both had 80 upgrades installed (you had 23 Durability + 47 from Chassis, Aerodynamics, and Powertrain while I had 21 Durability + 49 from Chassis, Aerodynamics, and Powertrain). This maybe coincidence but it's food for thought.

The fact remains that no one really knows exactly what 75% is. There was a guy on another forum that had 100% of Chassis, Aerodynamics, and Powertrain upgraded and still hadn't unlocked it. He finally got it after buying a few Durability upgrades.

There are other possible explanations, the achievement could simply be buggy or some upgrades could be worth a higher percentage than others. If people share their progress in the comments we could find out more.

I'm not trying to rubbish your solution I'm just trying to contribute so other people are not misled as I was.

Here are my R&D stats at the time I unlocked the achievement:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7hZTmjez2Z4VTRQZ0FIejNTTTA...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7hZTmjez2Z4ZnlMN1ZBNE8xTjA...
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By B0BCAT on 16 Sep 2017 21:30
Here's my calculations:

If you take EVERY upgrade (including Durability, Competencies, and the Efficiency/Quality Control upgrades), there is a grand total of 127 upgrades. 75% of this is 95.25, so we'll say that you would need 96 upgrades to reach 75%. At the time I unlocked this, I had 86 of these upgrades installed. I wouldn't have got the achievement if everything applied.

If we take away the Efficiency/Quality Control upgrades, this would leave us with 97 upgrades. 75% of this is 72.75, so we'll round this up to 73 upgrades. At the time of unlocking, I installed 77 upgrades. However, I applied 3 upgrades at once before going to the weekend that unlocked the achievement, so I had 74 beforehand. It may be possible that Durability and Competencies do count, if Codemasters' math is sloppy.

If we now take away the Durability and Competencies, we're left with 62 upgrades. 75% of 62 is 46.5. Rounding this up, we have 47 upgrades. I got exactly 47 upgrades installed when I unlocked the achievement.

So honestly, it depends on whether Codies are any good at math. :D
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By Crimsonverse on 16 Sep 2017 22:24
. . . . hmmm, this seems to be quite fussy. I have 47 upgrades from the categories that you said are required: Chassis 15/21 (71%), Aerodynamics 17/26 (65%) and Powertrain 15/15 (100%) and still no achievement. I also have 12/23 (52%) of the Durability (yellow) upgrades just for reference.

There is a belief in the PS4 community that the Durability & Competency upgrades as well as the Department Efficiency and Department Quality Control upgrades DO count towards this achievement.

If this is true there are a possible 115 upgrades to purchase meaning that 87 upgrades would be required for 75%.

I'm not knocking your info Jack but there does seem to be several players with very different experiences of unlocking / not unlocking this achievement / trophy. How do you know that the Durability upgrades that you purchased first didn't count? The only way that we would know that your method is correct is if someone unlocks the achievement with JUST the 47 upgrades and NOTHING else.

An achievement tracker would have made this MUCH easier !!!

As I said I do have 47 of the upgrades and still no achievement.

Here are my upgrades as reference. If other people also upload a screenshot of their R&D tree we may be able to work out the exact requirements for this fussy achievement.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7hZTmjez2Z4VTRQZ0FIejNTTTA...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7hZTmjez2Z4UnFMbWE2LW96eEk...
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By B0BCAT on 16 Sep 2017 12:35
Is it true the yellow upgrades at the top dont't count? I've been buying them after getting 100% on the red section.
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By Mark Miwurdz on 13 Sep 2017 09:05
Well, I got the achievement as soon as the 47th upgrade was applied. As I said in a previous comment, if the durability/competency upgrades did count, I would have got this achievement earlier (I hit 75% including those at the end of the 4th season).
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By Crimsonverse on 16 Sep 2017 12:49
I just got the achievement at season 5, race 16 and it took me 101 upgrades to reach this. It unlocked while doing upgrade 11/15 on the powertrain (a major upgrade).

My total stats were:
21/23 Durability
21/21 Chassis
20/26 Aerodynamics
11/15 Powertrain
9/12 Compentencies
15/15 Efficiency upgrades
4/15 Quality Control

That means I've reached every threshold mentioned above during the process and still did not get the achievement, leaving me without a strong theory on what triggers this achievement. Even though your input did not directly help in me getting this achievement, I still appreciate the input, so I'll give an upvote.
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By Basmare on 20 Sep 2017 17:46
Quick question, a little of topic. Is there any point in doing the invotationals?
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By Thijs on 26 Sep 2017 12:32
It counts towards a Competency upgrade, which decreases the amount of time it takes for upgrades to be applied, I think.
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By Crimsonverse on 26 Sep 2017 12:40
Does anyone of you knows whether you are allowed to switch Teams after one season? Or is the upgrade progress down to zero then again?
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By Arctic Avenger2 on 23 Oct 2017 09:43
With the recent 1.9 Patch it looks like they've patched this achievement in the right way. When I got the achievement yesterday after having done exactly 4 Seasons I basically had Durability, Powertrain and Aerodynamics completely upgraded while having in the last tree nothing done at all. That seems to me to be pretty much 75 % of it.

Either way. Cheers for this solution. Thumbs up.
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By Citizen Snickey on 25 Oct 2017 20:42
Unlocked now in 7th season in Baku
Upgrades that I bought:
- 15/15 powertrain
-21/26 chassis
-22/26 aerodinamics
-15/23 resistance
- Durability, Competencies, and the Efficiency/Quality Control ALL

TOTAL: 73 upgrades

Finally, good luck guys
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By I3ruto on 23 Nov 2017 14:30
Got it after 80/97 in Season 7:

18/23 Durability
12/21 Chassis
26/26 Aerodynamics
15/15 Powertrain
9/12 Compentencies

I checked achiev bar after every update I made and the yellow ones (durability) was the key to unlock it...
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By HoHe69 on 28 Apr 2018 14:44
Can 100% confirm that Competencies, Efficiency and Quality upgrades DO NOT COUNT towards this. The tracker bar ALWAYS INCREASES when you are on loading screen of the next track!!

Each upgrade is also worth 1.5% it doesn't matter which upgrades you fit although tracker does not always update... e.g. you can have 1 upgrade applied and tracker won't increase when it should but when you apply next upgrade(s) or so the tracker should increase albeit sometimes only minimal like 2% when 2 or more upgrades have been applied... this fixes it self out when you complete the final upgrade in tree department's branch e.g Weight Reduction in Chassis; get 9/9 and the final upgrade should give you the missing %. I got about 7% from Ultimate upgrade which was final in the branch which I know isn't right but the fact that I completed the branch achievement tracker gave the missing % from previous upgrades.
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By Alfa Arty on 26 Jun 2019 01:49
Alfa Arty has cracked it. I was stuck on 94%, my last 5 upgrades didn't move my tracker at all. I did a Ultimate upgrade which was at 8/9, and my tracker went up 6%.
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By SPACE ODDITY on 13 Jun 2020 14:34
I'm sure. I actually got the Durability upgrades first (because I got real annoyed with my gearbox and engine having issues during races). I would have got the achievement much earlier than I did, had they counted.
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By Crimsonverse on 13 Sep 2017 17:03
I also dont really know how about this achievement but some thoughts after getting it today:

My total stats were:
18/23 Durability
21/21 Chassis
18/26 Aerodynamics
15/15 Powertrain
8/12 Compentencies
5/15 Efficiency upgrades
0/15 Quality Control

What ever calculation I try, none of them is only around 75%. Taking all in one pot I didnt reach them by far, leaving out the efficiency and quality I exceed the percentage by far.

For me only two declaration approaches make sense:
1) The achievement is simply glitched and it pops when any certain trigger gets pulled (whatever it could be).
2) As already mentioned the size of the upgrades (small, bog, ultimate) plays a role within this calculation.

Perhaps there also could be another reason but it really doesnt open for me. For myself I am just happy to have it now and for all the others: Good luck with it!
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By TONI III04 on 05 Oct 2017 22:59
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While the other guides are great and all the info is there, I just thought I would add that after the updates there is an achievement tracker for this now.

Durability upgrades do increase the percentage, now i dont know whether they counted before or not but they do now. The competencies don't count.

My personal path towards gaining so for this achievement is to perfect the practice programs except race strategy, pole position in one shot qualifying and then change an engine component to get a grid drop penalty. Do 1 lap of the race to get into a decent lead and then simulate session.

All in all that's 6 laps per track And around 400 xp, skip the invitationals once you have done 20.
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09 Feb 2018 15:00

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This tracker only raised more questions for me. If durability does count, that means there are a total of 85 upgrades. 75% of that is 63.75, so 64 upgrades.

I currently have 5 in durability, 14 in chassis, 18 in aerodynamics and 15 in powertrain. That's 52 upgrades. That is about 81% of the 64 upgrades that are needed for the achievement, yet the tracker says I'm only at 56% of the way there, which comes down to 36 upgrades...
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By iPlatfoot on 18 Feb 2018 17:09
I agree with you there, the tracker doesn't seem completely accurate. I found it was going up around 7% per 4 upgrades. And I got my achievement after a durability upgrade
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By Minardi 05 on 18 Feb 2018 19:50
I did not understand what count in this shit game!I play this game for more than 10 days and now i have finished more than 5 seasons and 12 races.I have unlocked 100% chasis 31% aerodynamics and 100% on powertrain.The other two i have 100% too. So all in all i only have 98% at The achievement tracker.But normally i must have 100%.
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By DrSchmock on 22 Feb 2018 16:23
i'm 97% chassis 21/21 aero 26/26 chain 15/15 durability 10/23
boring achievement bug when they are 30% to unlock it
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By Julien AK47 on 28 Apr 2018 12:22
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Here is my theory based on my own experience unlocking this achievement. I noticed that the 3 progress bars on vehicle performance status only include CHASSIS, AERODYNAMICS and POWERTRAIN upgrades. Now as you see in the screenshot below, I should have unlocked the achievement way before but it didn't unlock. It only unlocked when the 3 stats above averaged at 77%. Before I purchased the final component that granted the achievement, the percentage average was almost 75%.

In the below screenshot, CHASSIS, AERODYNAMICS and POWERTRAIN averages to 77,41%

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So my theory is that this achievement only counts progress towards CHASSIS, AERODYNAMICS and POWERTRAIN. I would advice to start unlocking upgrades from this section first. Again, this is not a definite solution, but just an advice from my own experience.
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10 Jan 2018 11:49

This achievement will take time due to the small amounts of RP it coughs up, however, I found this to be a decent method of getting the maximum amount of resource points from each weekend:

(This guide will also help with the 'Some Assembly Required' achievement)

1. Go to Practice 1 - Complete Track Acclimatisation, Tyre Management & Fuel Saving programmes.
Perfecting these will gain 50 RP each. Also, completing team objectives will max the points you gain through the weekend.
Points break down: Session participation +10pt; Track Acclimatisation +50pt; Tyre Management +50pt; Fuel saving +50pt; Laps completed (10 max) +10pt; Team Obj - 25pt max; Discipline (pen free) +10pt; R&D Obj. +10pt.
N.B. It is possible to complete ALL programmes in P1 (track dependent) saving some time.

2. Go to Practice 2 - Complete Race Strategy & Qualifying Pace. Same as P1, finish any remaining team objectives (potential for up to approx. 305 RP per weekend from the programmes and objectives).
Every point counts!!

3. Skip to One-Shot Qualifying, qualify on pole.
- Points break down:
Session participation +15pt; Result vs Car Performance (exceed Exp Position 1-5 places +50pt); One Shot Qualy +10pt; Discipline +10pt
Max points is 85 for Qualy.

4. After Q, go to Laptop, tab right to Vehicle Management. Select '+' symbol next to any of the components (or gearbox) to take a Grid Drop Penalty.

5. Race. You will start the race in 6th place or lower due to grid drop pen. Overtaking other cars gives a bonus 50 RP per race which comes in very handy.
- Points break down:
Session participation +25pt; Clean lap % (100%) +25pt; Finish Position (P1 start to P1 finish gets +25pt/Starting down the grid gains +50pt; Discipline +25pt.

*1st Driver Bonus RPs: (w/15% bonus) by
- Practice Session [P1 & P2] (1st Driver) - +53pt(max)
- Qualy (1st Driver) - +11pt(max)
- Race (1st Driver) - +18pt(max)

Weekend Total = 626 RP (approx.)

Spending points efficiently (i.e. combat failed upgrades).
- I tended to try and save RPs over a few weekends & build up how much upgrades I could buy at the same time. Wait until after the race when you can press X to start the Next Weekend.
N.B. I highly recommend buying the Efficiency upgrades first, then 2-3 Quality Control upgrades. Personal choice if you go for Powertrain, Chassis or Aerodynamics first.

Before going to next weekend quit to Main Menu, press Y and turn Auto save OFF. Go back into Career & purchase any upgrade you like, then proceed to next weekend.

If the upgrade fails, dashboard & quit the game. Do this until the upgrade works & remember to save the game at the next available moment. Restarting the game, turns Auto save OFF as it resets to ON, so be careful.

I would also recommend completing some of the Competencies - including 20 Invitational races - as this will reduce the time for Major/Ultimate upgrades by half, from 6 weeks to 3 weeks. Also, completing 60 races as 1st Driver, will gain you 15% bonus RP per race.
Don't worry about Durability dept, focus on the other 3.

Hope this guide helps in some small way towards the two upgrade achievements, this will take some time - as I said it is a very slow process having to harvest RPs- at least 4 or 5 seasons maybe more, so good luck!

Update.
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Got the achievement at Spa in S5 as per the screenshot above 👍
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24 Jun 2020 20:41

DURABILITY Works 100% and is 48% of the Achievement Progression when using my method.

Go to Practice 1 - Do 1 lap of Track Acclimatization, Fuel Saving and Qualifying Pace. As soon as you set a Qualifying Pace lap pause the game and skip straight to Qualification. After Qualifying I followed the above guides to get a Grid Drop Penalty and then of course complete 1 lap of the race and used the Simulate Race option from the Pause menu.

This is the basic steps you follow for every race.

First I unlocked 15/15 Powertrain after 4/5 Cost Cutting.

Next I unlocked 26/26 Aerodynamics after 4/5 Cost Cutting.

This put me on 52% Achievement Progression.

Next I focused on Durability and unlocked 13/23 which gave me 78% Achievement Progression at a general pace of 2% per upgrade. The final 10 upgrades didn't affect the progression bar at all which had me worried but as soon as I upgraded 23/23 the Achievement popped and jumped from 78% to 100% complete. Just to note also, I had 1 upgrade in the Chassis Department as shown in the photo below.

So Durability does work and also not one of my 23 upgrades failed so they seem like a certified pass at only 500 each. You won't need to worry or waste time using the Auto save method to reduce the chance of failure.

Hope this helps and speeds things up for anyone working through this pretty long Achievement. I unlocked it this morning giving me 1000G. All I have left is 10hours of F1 2020 and I will have done a Decade of Formula One games to 1000G ^_~
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22 Feb 2021 21:02

MISSABLE

In Career Mode you can upgrade your car with Upgrade Points which are earned by completing Free Training, Practice Programmes (during Free Training), Qualifying and the Race itself. These points can then be spent towards upgrades. This trophy is missable because if you skip all free trainings and qualifications, you won't earn enough upgrade points to develop the needed 75% of the upgrades and you will have to start all over in a new career.

Between races when you open your laptop, go to the 'Research and Development' tab with and select 'View R&D Tree' with . In the following menu you can select upgrades that will be developed by your team outfit's R&D employees. The menus will look like this:


Note that it will take up to a couple of in-game weeks for an upgrade to get developed but they can fail too so please be aware of that.

To get 75% of the upgrades you will need to amount a lot of upgrade points during your career. Therefore it's recommended that you don't miss a single session between Free Training, Qualifications and Races and make you sure you complete all of the practice programmes during Free training as well. It's also recommended to buy the small nodes that will give you discounts and a lower chance on failures before you do any of the main upgrades. This may seem counterproductive at first but it will save you a lot of resources in the long run. Doing all of the above it will take you somewhere between 4 to 6 seasons to get enough upgrades for this trophy.

Although the trophy states you need to get 75% of all the upgrades, it's unclear what exactly accounts for this 75% as the trophy pops at different times for different people. The most educated guess we can make is that some of the upgrades are weighted and count for a higher percentage than others. Either way you don't have to worry if the trophy doesn't pop for you when you think it should, just keep buying upgrades and it will pop eventually.

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The hint above is not correct.
It is the overall development of all branches that is 75%. My trophy dropped when the engine and wear departments were pumped to 100%, and the aerodynamics and chassis were approximately 48 and 52%. So I think there is no difference what to develop. But I advise it evenly, since the balance of the car is better. And if the tops have no difference, then it will be difficult for a teammate from the middle peasants and outsiders of that season to score points, which will affect the trophy for the constructors' championship. For me, Alonso only began to consistently get into the top 10 by the 4th season...
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02 Jan 2020 07:45

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I got the trophy exactly when I upgraded the last branch to 75%. Two other branches were 100%, and another one was 76%.
To speed up the process, I recommend simulating a race.
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By Slash1k on 06 Mar 2022 22:22
We're not talking about the arithmetic average. It is necessary that each branch be pumped at least 75%
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13 Oct 2018 08:34