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Silver-Tongued Devil

Silver-Tongued Devil

Won 50 Speech Challenges

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How to unlock the Silver-Tongued Devil achievement in Fallout 3 - Definitive Guide

There is also a girl in Little Lamplight called Knock Knock. If you follow the conversation that starts with how she's in charge on morale, she tells you a joke. You can lie to her and tell her how great you think the joke was, which is a speech challenge, which like the one in Big Town can be repeated infinitely if you want to.

The dialog is a little longer than the Bittercup/Pappy exchange in Big Town, but less problematic to get to work.

EDIT: As noted by Dave Jepson in a comment further down, the achievement doesn't unlock until after you exit the dialog with Knock Knock.
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01 Jan 2009 20:11

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Still worked for me 12/9/2018! Thanks!
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By CAWZY on 09 Dec 2018 15:40
I did the one with Knock-Knock, and now my speech challenges won are over 50, but I did not get the achievement :(
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By Kramerllama on 08 Apr 2009 22:33
nevermind I got it, just didnt come up right away
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By Kramerllama on 08 Apr 2009 22:35
Yeah, I had the same thing happen. I thought it glitched, but it just took it's sweet time notifying me.
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By ZeroThreshold on 22 Apr 2009 16:49
i thought mine wasnt going to unlock, so i exited the convorsation and i checked my speeches, and i had 82! then i talked to the mayor, then when i was following him so he could open the gate to murderous pass, it unlocked, took like 50secs!
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By Pedro Boggins on 12 Sep 2009 20:55
thanks, I was worried about gettings this achievement :D
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By grasn reloaded on 18 Dec 2009 13:27
Worked like a charm, cheers. :)
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By JacobEnos on 29 Sep 2010 20:20
thanks helped alot. Btw dont think the Big Town speech thing works anymore. After you talk about bittercup once with pappy it does't show up again.
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By Tizzight0 on 06 Oct 2010 04:20
Big Town Works if you remove your update cache, and start a new game stop not disrupt save file.
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By BDSLiVe on 02 Jan 2011 09:17
Little Lamplight still works, but big town doesnt. :) ty
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By BA1NZEY on 25 Jan 2011 01:23
Little lamplight still works as of 6/21/11.
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By forced2change on 22 Jun 2011 16:36
Little Lamplight still works as of 10-20-11
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By Dr Feelgood 474 on 20 Oct 2011 19:07
Thanks for the info.
This method is still working 31/12/11
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By muDsluG i1 on 01 Jan 2012 00:18
Lamplight method working 10/2/12
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By GamerComa on 10 Feb 2012 14:17
She doesn't give me the joke dialogue.. is there something you have to do for it?
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By AC Cloud Strife on 22 Feb 2012 13:33
still works. Apr 28, 2012
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By joeboomers on 28 Apr 2012 14:26
still works may 19th 2012
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By BladeOfArchon on 19 May 2012 22:31
Still works 6aug 2012 but make sure u hav a decent speech skill level!!!
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By D0DGY R0DJ on 06 Aug 2012 11:18
recommended speech level? I don't want to waste any more points than I have to really
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By Failure Online on 24 Aug 2012 17:08
still works Nov. 24th 2012
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By Zoda iZ Cruel on 24 Nov 2012 14:07
Still works, February 17th, 2013. Thanks!
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By cyrodilicbrandy on 17 Feb 2013 11:38
still works, October 10th, 2013
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By mudder85 on 11 Oct 2013 01:10
perfect guide, thanks! 11/8/13 worked
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By Shadow XBL on 08 Nov 2013 16:51
Plus 1 - stills works - 02/22/2014!!!
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By DUTCH HOSS on 23 Feb 2014 01:23
Top Guide took me like 5 mins just kept spamming A through the dialogue
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By ACW TOMBSTONE on 16 Apr 2014 00:32
still works 08/08/2014
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By mighty rk on 08 Jul 2014 14:33
Still works 30/08/2014
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By HaloMonkey3009 on 30 Jul 2014 17:01
9/13/14 still works
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By Jeff Bezor on 13 Sep 2014 20:45
Still works 12/4/14
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By NoodlesSWA123 on 04 Dec 2014 22:00
Still works 1/28/15
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By biglincoln76 on 28 Jan 2015 07:36
Thumbs up from me headspin
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By lI VOID on 03 Jun 2015 21:09
Awesome solution! Thank you very much!
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By thepack1221 on 02 Jul 2015 04:45
Great solution!!!
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By MarkyMarkB84 on 21 Jul 2015 13:26
I confirm this works. I have the digital version as well as all the DLC.
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By TheFoxEssence on 30 Mar 2016 05:36
This method still works like a charm on 2/8/17. smile
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By ChrisLemsPa on 08 Feb 2017 17:25
i unlocked the achievement today and use the little lamplight "knock knock" solution. i played on xbox one x backwards compatiblity. it works together anno 2018 on xbox one x too
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By midibenni on 14 Feb 2018 10:11
Still works as of today 5/1/18
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By MrSerrano1105 on 01 May 2018 16:09
still works as of june 3/18 using my 360. thumbs up!
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By onnabugeisha x on 04 Jun 2018 01:03
Still working in June 2019 using my cloud save on my xbox one. We golden y'all
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By IceIceFadey on 05 Jun 2019 02:39
This was the life saver. I dont think I found 50 opportunities completing the rest of the game with DLC. I was at 34
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By creeping monte on 25 May 2020 13:36
Still works in July 2020.
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By Dr BuDhHA on 24 Jul 2020 19:41
guys, the game came out in 2007, of course the guide is still gonna work,
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By on 11 Aug 2020 02:33
Who invited this guy^
Still works 2/20/2021
also if it doesn't pop right away press select and wait 24 hours in game
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By CRAKMONKEY12 on 20 Feb 2021 20:28
Thanks!
finding the girl took me like 5 hours
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By enriqudr on 28 Mar 2022 22:05
^ong bro. But at 60 right now isnt popping going to try the wait for 24 hours
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By Hndrxx3KinG on 09 Oct 2022 00:36
Just popped for me at 51, thank you for this method
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By Ohh Werd on 13 Apr 2024 19:23
I just got it using the Knock-Knock conversation method, although the achievement didn't show up untill i exited the chat 100%. (as in said good-bye to her) once the conversation box disappeared the achievement unlocked.

Now when i check how many speech challenges i've won, i have 55.

Maybe the achievement was just late unlocking, or maybe you have to quit the conversation with Knock-knock before the achievement unlocks.

Either way great solution! Compliments to "rawdeal42"
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By Unlikely Potato on 11 Aug 2009 17:39
It's still working in May 2019. At this point i think we can assume it'll work forever.
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By RSBennett on 27 May 2019 10:31
The girl was stood at the gate for me lol, also mine popped at 50 exactly. Thanks for this method, thought I'd have them all by now but was only at 39 after the whole base game and 3 DLCs
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By SamVertigo on 30 Apr 2024 21:27
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This solution may become redundant if it is patched, but a quick fix other than the usual "Find 50 speech challenges, win 50 speech challenges"....


Go to Big Town, north of Vault 101.
Talk to Bittercup about dating and such.
Then go and find Pappy and do the conversation challenge with him.


As long as you have a Speech level of 35+, you should be able to ace this conversation, and you can do it as many times as you can be bothered to.



This is not a legit way to do it, but it's damn fast and you have unlimited exp.
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31 Oct 2008 22:44

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he thanks for the tip the speech things can be annoying as hell sometimes just to find...
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By Impaled Germ on 05 Nov 2008 19:19
i may have to try this. though I do want it to be legit, but whose gonna know :D
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By Kramerllama on 08 Apr 2009 20:27
It's very easy to do legit if you have average speech matey.
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By Abylities on 08 Apr 2009 22:47
this one is now patched, but you could go off xbl and remove all patches, then it will work. when your done simply sign back onto xbl and the patches will be reinstalled. or you could just go to little lamplight and do the knock knock (is that it?) glitch.

hope this helps!!!
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By Pedro Boggins on 12 Sep 2009 20:49
Thanks Pedro.
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By Abylities on 12 Sep 2009 21:56
Confirmed. The Big Town exploit seems to be patched.
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By ThrillaGnat on 08 Dec 2009 16:43
That's a damn shame.

I suppose it does still work for those of us that don't connect to XBL... But for now it's redundant.
Aero's solution it is.
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By Abylities on 08 Dec 2009 17:11
It must be auto patched in the GotY of Fallout 3
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By Negative ZZ on 20 May 2010 03:20
It looks confirmed that GoTY is auto patched.
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By TnT06 on 28 Jul 2010 10:07
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Just talk to Knock knock in little lamplight. If you are initially entering Little lamplight she will be talking to a group. She talks about being in charge of morale ask her for a joke and tell her it was good. Repeat this several times until the achievement comes up. ( Note: There is a slight delay of 10 seconds or so sometimes)
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15 Jul 2009 08:22

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This achievement would have been lost to me forever had it not been for this solution. So much easier than starting over from the beginning. Bravo!
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By Icerift on 04 Aug 2010 03:04
thank you.... i was planning to get this achievement and found this guide!! and it is still working :)
thank you very much!!!
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By rcf1235 on 19 Jun 2011 01:54
What the hell I have 68 and it hasn't unlocked?!
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By on 17 Jul 2015 21:50
I can confirm that this still works today.
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By DCM7734 on 14 Dec 2015 08:48
I did the Knock-Knock alternative, but you should count the cash-register clings (successes) as the achievement doesn't automatically pop up once you have 50 challenges won. It is only when you opt out of the dialog that the achievement unlocks. I has 12 successes going in and after a ton of wins and thinking a glitch had occurred since no achievement was popping up, I opted out of the dialog and that's when it popped up. I looked and had 165 successes... frankly overkill, yes....
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By ushikawasan on 16 May 2010 12:15
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These are all the speech challenges on Fallout 3; (Including the DLC)


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Speech_challenge


Many thanks for Fallout Wikia for the info.

Before you give me a negative vote, please explain yourself why you did it and I will be more than happy to improve my solution. Thank You.
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03 Jul 2009 21:15

Just wanna add - Little girl at Lamplight method still works.
19-2-2017.

I played on xbox one and thought they would pathed this.
This is not the case :)

I had the DLC installed when it worked
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19 Feb 2017 12:05

For this you have to obviously have to win 50 Speech challenges. This is based on the amount of Speech points you have, the higher you have the easier successes you have. There is an exploit for this you can do in Little Lamplight that involves you talking to Knock Knock. To grind this out follow the conversation below:

Start the conversation the involves her being in charge of morale.
She will tell you a joke (Its a Knock Knock Joke....)
Answer who's there.
Say Noah Who.
Lie to her and tell her it was a good joke.
Ask her to tell you a joke again.
(Rinse and repeat until the trophy pops.)
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19 Sep 2015 19:56

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Still works four years later
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By SolaceCreed on 02 Oct 2019 00:06
Still works in 2024
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By mdfk79 on 14 May 2024 09:03

Invest in the Charisma S.P.E.C.I.A.L and Speech Skill to make life easier for you, also consider scavenging/buying clothes or hats that improve Charisma and/or Speech. If you have any of the DLCs, then any Speech Challenges included with them will contribute towards this trophy. Watch this video for an exploit you can use if you fail to pass enough Speech Challenges by the end of the game:

 

 

(Credit to OverKill360 for this video. Although this video is for the Xbox 360 version, the info is still valid).

Notes:

  • This trophy can be extremely slow to pop so don't be worried if it doesn't pop for 30+secs.
  • You can check your progress in the "Stats" section of your Pip-Boy or via the statistic that sometimes appears during loading screens.
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You may be cutting this achievement close toward the end of the game, so I would suggest putting quite a few points into your Speech skill early so you can work on it the entire time. While speaking with characters, you may be presented with dialogue choices that say "[Speech] %" with a number being in there for your success chance. The higher the speech skill, the better the chance you'll get away with whatever you're going to say. There are quite a few in the Underworld (at least five just after accepting the quest from Crowley, speak with other ghouls in the city), as well as at least one or two per quest. Speak with everyone possible as even some non-quest related people can have challenges.

I was able to find an infinite loop in Little Lamplight. You need high Intelligence for it though. Talk with Knock Knock and ask her what her job is. She will explain her role in helping morale and offer to tell a joke. Agree to hear it, but then you will have the option of interrupting the joke with an "[Intelligence]" dialogue choice. She will think your joke is funnier but tell you what hers would have been. You now have an option to lie and say her joke would have been funny too. Once you win that speech challenge, you will still be able to ask her about her job and repeat the entire dialogue over and over.

There is an infinite speech challenge in Big Town to exploit. When you arrive, speak with Bittercup and agree with her that no one understands you. Once she talks about her dating Pappy, end the conversation and go talk to Pappy. Begin with "You came here with Bittercup, right?" and if he doesn't get upset you will win the challenge. Be warned though, if you do lose this challenge the loop will disappear. Try to make sure you have 100% success chance before using it. This method was patched in version 1.1 unless you clear your cache and remove the patches.

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You may be cutting this achievement close toward the end of the game, so I would suggest putting quite a few points into your Speech skill early so you can work on it the entire time. While speaking with characters, you may be presented with dialogue choices that say "[Speech] %" with a number being in there for your success chance. The higher the speech skill, the better the chance you'll get away with whatever you're going to say. There are quite a few in the Underworld (at least five just after accepting the quest from Crowley, speak with other ghouls in the city), as well as at least one or two per quest. Speak with everyone possible as even some non-quest related people can have challenges.

There is an infinite speech challenge in Big Town to exploit. When you arrive, speak with Bittercup and agree with her that no one understands you. Once she talks about her dating Pappy, end the conversation and go talk to Pappy. Begin with "You came here with Bittercup, right?" and if he doesn't get upset you will win the challenge. Be warned though, if you do lose this challenge the loop will disappear. Try to make sure you have 100% success chance before using it.

I was able to find another infinite loop in Little Lamplight. You need high Intelligence for it though. Talk with Knock Knock and ask her what her job is. She will explain her role in helping morale and offer to tell a joke. Agree to hear it, but then you will have the option of interrupting the joke with an "[Intelligence]" dialogue choice. She will think your joke is funnier but tell you what hers would have been. You now have an option to lie and say her joke would have been funny too. Once you win that speech challenge, you will still be able to ask her about her job and repeat the entire dialogue over and over.

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This achievement requires great speech skill. By the end of the game you may not have time to get this achievement. I suggest this method. Go to Tenpenny Tower, there is one girl “Bling”, you can get experience points on her. Talk to Bling and ask about her work. She will tell you about her role and offer to tell you a joke. Agree to listen to the joke. You will have the opportunity to interrupt the joke and say your own, through the “[intelligence]” dialogue. She will say that this joke is better than hers. Now you will have the choice to lie to her and say that her joke is funny too. After doing this, the dialogue will not disappear and you can repeat this as much as you like. When you have collected the required number of suggestions, complete the dialogue and the achievement is yours.
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13 Jul 2011 10:15

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Correction: this girl is not in Tenpenny Tower, but in Little Lemlight.
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By lexonodin on 09 Jun 2017 16:13
"Bling" can be found in Little Lamplight
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22 Oct 2012 07:47