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Outstanding Orator

Outstanding Orator

Make 50 Speech challenges.

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How to unlock the Outstanding Orator achievement in Fallout: New Vegas - Definitive Guide

Location: Camp McCarran (Inside Camp McCarran Terminal Building)
Requirement: Speech 25
Person: Angela Williams
Quest given: There Stands the Grass

When you enter Camp McCarran, head to the right side and enter the Terminal Building. Head left behind the Escalator Stairs and you'll see a lab on your right. Inside the lab are two people, Thomas Hildern (who gives you There Stands the Grass quest) and Angela Williams. Speak to Thomas Hildern first and then speak to Angela Williams. Ask her what do you think of Dr. Hildern? and the Speech challenge shows. Select it then click Goodbye. Talk to her again and say I have some more questions. Click the what do think of Dr. Hildern again and repeat as many times as desired. Good for XP boosting as well.
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24 Oct 2010 19:31

21 Comments
Worked perfectly, thank you!
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By Bryce MC on 04 Nov 2010 05:45
Niceeee :D Fantastic for exp too worked a charm. ta!
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By JediJohnny7 on 16 Nov 2010 11:23
worked perfect, don't know why anybody would vote negative.
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By See u in helll on 19 Dec 2010 21:30
Still works if anyone was wondering!
Thanks.
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By jackam2008 on 21 Mar 2011 11:54
Also works after you completed the quest :-) Thank!
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By jvest on 21 Apr 2011 22:10
Still works. Just wanted to confirm.
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By BuzzerBeater911 on 15 Jul 2011 22:06
Just to confirm, this is still working 20th March 2012.
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By tehapo on 21 Mar 2012 09:57
Still works April 2012 Easter weekend
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By CJTiger1988 on 08 Apr 2012 04:37
Works as of 11th October 12
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By Zeta Sigh on 11 Oct 2012 18:19
still works december 11, 2012
i do have the ultimate edition if it matters
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By A S0T on 11 Dec 2012 08:53
Still works :) Jan 13 2013
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By SS Bricktop on 13 Jan 2013 11:21
Still works Jun 2013
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By erickydullboy on 31 May 2013 16:12
still works. Thanks 8/7/13
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By DeceptiveTen on 08 Aug 2013 03:29
Worked great! Thanks!
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By Kez001 on 22 Jul 2014 16:20
Still working - at this rate its prolly safe to say this wont ever be patched.
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By Kaleb on 21 Dec 2014 01:48
This still works like a charm!
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By ChrisLemsPa on 25 Feb 2017 00:37
A quicker way to gain the XP this way is to select "I hear the food around here is pretty bad." after asking "What do you think of Dr. Hildern?". Much quicker and easier than "Goodbye" and starting conversation again. +1
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By rob25X on 07 Feb 2018 14:41
Works perfect still!
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By Cernunnos295 on 01 Jul 2019 19:27
Tried this at mid game. Still works!
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By BullCraze on 26 Dec 2021 04:59
Still works - July 2022
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By RobEvoUK on 21 Jul 2022 21:07
If you can glitch Keely ... Of course .... The Director ?... He's not... Most of the time .... Right. Stay safe... Boom. +25 XP Still works December 2011. I don't mind glitching this achievement... this game has glitched so much... I've lost good amounts of loot from stupid glitches... errrrg. Anyway thanks for the 15GS.
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By CASCADIAN1 on 05 Dec 2011 11:21
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Requires Medicine 35
After you accept the first quest (House always wins) of getting the chip to House (who is on the top floor of Lucky 38 casino), you can chat with him. There will be an option that says "Who exactly are you, Mr. House?" After that an option appears that says "You appear to be a computer, not a man."
If you have 35 medicine the speech option will pop up and you can do it and it counts for the achievement. After you do that, their are two other chat options and a lets talk about something else option. if you go through the other two chat options, the who exactly are you question will pop up again and after that so will the speech challenge. Keep doing this 50 or however many times you need to do it and the achievement will pop up.

Courtesy of: SashaQ
Requires: speech 50
there is another glitch that you can take advantage of. at camp mccarren, if your rep is "sneering punk" or "unpredictable" with the NCR, when you go to talk to Colonel Hsu as part of the No, Not Much mission or to pick up the mission I Put A Spell On You, you will have to speech challenge him (speech skill 50 required) in order for him to give you the mission. After you perform the majority of I Put A Spell On You, you are tasked with finding the bomb on the monorail and to defuse it. You can choose to speak with Colonel Hsu before you leave the building to find the monorail, and if you speak with Colonel Hsu the speech challenge will pop up again and you can talk in circles with him and continue to speech challenge him.

ATTENTION: ONE (or both) OF THE FOLLOWING 2 HAVE BEEN PATCHED, IF YOU WANT TO HELP ME FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IT IS COMMENT, OTHERWISE I'D AVOID DOING THEM.

Courtesy of: AMC slave
Requirements: guns 25-44
During the Flags of Our Foul-Ups quest at Camp Golf. if you have a guns skill under thats at least 25 but less than 45 you can talk to Mags about doing marksman training and it requires you to pass 3 skill checks by needing 25, 35, 45. you can pass the first 2 but as long as you fail the 3rd you can continue to redo the training, passing the first two skill checks and they continue to count towards the achievement

Courtesy of: m0rph3us17
Requirements: Speech 40
Another glitch on the Flags of our Foul-Ups quest:
After getting the quest, first talk to O'Harahan and agree that the whole team needs to improve their teamwork. This requires you to convince Razz, Mags and Poindexter of this approach. Talk to Razz and find the conversation path corresponding to O'Harahan's suggestion. Convincing Razz of this approach requires a speech check of 40. However, the speech check dialogue option won't disappear once selected so you can continue to repeat it for both this achievement and experience farming.
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25 Oct 2010 14:15

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another easy glitch is during the Flags of Our Foul-Ups quest at Camp Golf. if you have a guns skill under thats at least 25 but less than 45 you can talk to Mags about doing marksman training and it requires you to pass 3 skill checks by needing 25, 35, 45. you can pass the first 2 but as long as you fail the 3rd you can continue to redo the training, passing the first two skill checks and they continue to count towards the achievement
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By AM Stang on 28 Oct 2010 01:28
Another glitch on the Flags of our Foul-Ups quest:
After getting the quest, first talk to O'Harahan and agree that the whole team needs to improve their teamwork. This requires you to convince Razz, Mags and Poindexter of this approach. Talk to Razz and find the conversation path corresponding to O'Harahan's suggestion. Convincing Razz of this approach requires a speech check of 40. However, the speech check dialogue option won't disappear once selected so you can continue to repeat it for both this achievement and experience farming.
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By m0rph3us17 on 01 Nov 2010 23:58
there is another glitch that you can take advantage of. at camp mccarren, if your rep is "sneering punk" or "unpredictable" with the NCR, when you go to talk to Colonel Hsu as part of the No, Not Much mission or to pick up the mission I Put A Spell On You, you will have to speech challenge him (speech skill 50 required) in order for him to give you the mission. After you perform the majority of I Put A Spell On You, you are tasked with finding the bomb on the monorail and to defuse it. You can choose to speak with Colonel Hsu before you leave the building to find the monorail, and if you speak with Colonel Hsu the speech challenge will pop up again and you can talk in circles with him and continue to speech challenge him.
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By SashaQ on 26 Oct 2010 15:01
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First you need to do the mission called "The moon Comes Over The Tower" in the game. Emily Ortal comes up to you while walking onto the Lucky 38 one time and just hands you the mission, no need to search for her. The mission takes about 2 minutes to finish, really fast mission. Then turn it into her. After that, talk to her and find the speech check. You need Speech of 35. The speech check never goes away. This method can be used to get the Outstanding Orator achievement. This glitch was found by my fiancée!
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25 Oct 2010 23:16

**There may be some spoilers in this guide but they are only spoilers to side quests, not any main quests**

This achievement can be obtained much easier in this game than in fallout 3 because speech challenges are not limited to only the Speech skill. You will encounter many different speech challenges that will depend on your medicine, repair, explosives, speech, science, intelligence, perception and barter skills. The most common speech challenges will deal with speech, barter, and medicine skills. Also a lot of challenges will have multiple ways to coerce the person you are talking to (for example you may be able to influence them with a barter skill of 60 or a speech skill of 50). Depending on the type of character you have built, you can gain this achievement fairly easily without glitching any NPCs into talking in circles.

Some easy speech challenges to consider when grinding for this achievement:

In Goodsprings, you can pick up the mission Ghost Town Gunfight, which is about the powder gangers searching for Ringo. If you pick up the mission from Ringo (instead of Joe Cobb or Trudy) you can speech challenge him (skill level 20 required) to find out why he is in Goodsprings. With a 25 explosives skill you can get dynamite from Easy Pete. With a 25 barter skill you can convince Chet (inside the general store) to donate supplies instead of purchasing the supplies. You can convince Trudy to join with either a 25 speech skill or a 25 sneak skill. Finally you can get Dr. Mitchell to provide additional medical items if you have a medicine skill of 30.

Go to Bitter Springs (NCR territory) and pick up the mission No, Not Much from Captain Gilles. This will branch out into five more missions, and a few of them can be easily completed with some type of speech skill. These missions include: Medical Mystery/Restoring Hope (at camp forlorn hope; medicine skill 50 required); Flags of our foul ups (at camp golf; if you speak with Mags, you get three speech challenges if your gun skill is at least 45 and three more speech challenges if your explosives skill is at least 45); Climb Ev'ry Mountain (north of Bitter Springs; when you reach the target, speech skill 50 will get him to leave);

During the mission Oh, My Papa (Great Khans/Red Rock Canyon) you are asked to convince members of the Khans to speak out against Caesar &the legion. Speak with Jack and Diane in the drug lab and there are several speech challenges. If you speak with Jack and tell him you can teach him new chem recipes you will get 5 science challenges, (science skills 50 for the first 4 and 75 for the last). Also you can convince Jack that the legion will split him and Diane up with a 25 speech skill. Also during this quest if you try and remove Caesar's representative from the area, you can speak with Karl and trick him into badmouthing the Khans in front of their leader with three speech challenges (skill levels 25, 50, and 75 required). Also when you take Karl's journal to Papa Khan you receive two speech challenges (skill level 50 required).


While this guide does not provide 50 instances of speech challenges, I hope it does highlight the many different ways you can succeed at speech challenges and gives you a jump start on your required 50. If anyone has anything to add to this guide, please send me a message or leave a comment and I would happily add your suggestions and give you credit for them as well. Good luck! =)
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26 Oct 2010 15:30

*UPDATE/EDIT 17 May, 2011*
This conversation is updated/patched. You can talk with Dazzle and perform a Speech or a Medicine challenge only one time.
I also tried it after clearing cache and it still didn't work, but maybe that's because I'm an enemy of the Strip. I can't confirm this, because I don't have a save game before I became hostile. (Thank you puppetface for the heads up).
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Location: Courtyard in Gomorrah Casino (Othega runs the casino).
Person: Dazzle (in the middle of the Courtyard)
Requirements: Speech 35 or Medicine 35 and some Med-X

You can talk with her for a bootycall. But you don't want to pay in caps, so you convience her to do it for 1 Med-X. You can do this over and over, untill you run out of Med-X.
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This is still availible:

Some general information for other Speech challenges:

At Mick and Ralphs (in Freeside) you can buy a clothing piece, called Naughty Nightwear. This gives you +10 Speech and +1 Luck.

You can also make some Party Time Mentats at a campfire, this gives you +5 Charisma= +10 Speech.
Requirements:
Science 50, 1 Mentats, 1 Whiskey and 1 Honey Mesquite
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31 Oct 2010 09:58

To get this at the start of the story, use the following exploit.

When you start, make sure you have both Speech and Barter at 25 (Charisma increases these, and you can tag the individual skills to improve them further)

Step 1. Activate "Run Goodsprings Run" Quest by talking to Cobbs in Goodsprings
Step 2. Kill Ringo
Step 3. Talk to Cobbs and unlock the optional segments, such as "shake down the store for supplies"
Step 4. Kill Cobbs (and, if detected, the gangers)
Step 5. Go to the General Store (Chet)
Step 6. Tell him the powder gangers need supplies.
Step 7. Barter 25 option
Step 8. Repeat Step 6 again.
Step 9. Speech 25 option
Finally Repeat Steps 6 and 7 until you unlock the achievement/level up to level 30

Edit 1: You can also use this to sell 10,000 caps worth of goods since you get a Leather Armor everytime you succeed the Speech challenge.
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09 Sep 2011 13:35

Location: Red Rock Canyon
Requirement: Speech 33
Person: Jerry the Punk
Quest given: Cry Me A River

Go to Red Rock Canyon (I did it during the quest For the Republic, part 2 but I'm guessing you can probably do it anytime) and speak to Jerry the Punk. From the valley entrance he is located in the last of three tents up on the ridge just north of the training pit. He is the kid who is rambling poetry.
If you can't find him you could check out the Fallout: New Vegas wiki page about Jerry. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jerry_the_Punk
Go up to him and initiate dialogue.

The first time you talk to him ask what he is doing. Then follow these steps:

Step 1: Select 'What is this initiation?' and then 'That doesn't sound to bad.'
Step 2: Then you get a speech challenge [33 Speech].
Step 3: After that do NOT choose 'I could ask them for you.' (otherwise you get the quest Cry Me A River and that will break the dialogue cycle), instead take option 2 (Why don't you...) or 3 (Probably...).
Step 4: Then again do NOT say 'I could ask them for you.' - say: 'That's not really my problem, is it?'.
Step 5: Now you can start over from step 1. This seems so be a really fast way to get the achievement since you do not have to re-initiate dialogue between the challenges.


And no, it's not setup in five steps because of the NKOTB song :)
Please comment if it doesn't work. It did work for me when I tested it with the latest patch installed on Xbox 360.

Good luck!
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Over the course of the game, you'll be presented with skill challenges that can influence the conversation. These are prefaced with the name of the skill or stat followed by a number, for example [Science 70], and usually have special results or rewards. Successfully complete 50 of these opportunities to get this trophy. The trophy description is misleading, the challenges don't have to be based on the Speech skill specifically, any skill or stat challenge counts towards this trophy. Keep track of your progress on the Stats screen of your Pip-Boy. You can also use this exploit:

For those who have problems with the trophy of 30th level and the trophy of 50 Speech's, there is a way to farm XP and Speech's. On sub-quest "Oh My Papa", during the conversation to Jack (about Papa khan Alliance with Caesar) in Red Rock Drug Lab, there is a Speech (60) that never disappears.

Credit to ShadowPeter for this tip.

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A speech challenge is when you are talking to a NPC and an option of dialog comes up with [Speech X] (where X is a number between 5 and 100) before it. This means you must have that speech level or higher to successfully use that dialogue. Get a high speech early and you can easily get this over the course of a game.

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:platinum there is an alternative place to get the trophy, go to the NSR camp McCarran base, go into the main building, find Dr. Thomas Hilton, take the quest there stands the grass, then go to Dr. Angela Williams, take from her an additional task for the quest, then select the following options:
1)i have some questions
2)what's your role here?
3) what do you think of dr.Hilton after that an option will appear requiring 25 units of upgrading your speaking skill. You can also boost your character’s level here
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08 Nov 2010 14:11

The easiest tactic is to go to the dino statue in Novak, having previously gone to the repconn offices and taken a task from the ghouls. in the dino statue we talk with the seller about a warehouse with small rackets - they contain a special substance needed by ghouls. and we tell him that no one buys the key to the warehouse anyway. then he gives you a discount on the key. repeat the dialogue about reducing the price 50 times and voila, the trophy is yours
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08 Nov 2010 13:34