Lies of P

i didnt give sophia peace and i got this ending

Yes exactly, it’s really the only requirement.

I updated. Thanks @WhyattThrash

Sorry Noon I wasn’t clear, you have to not give her peace and then of course refuse to give your heart to Geppetto. So sorry for the confusion, but there’s those two requirements. How much Humanity you have doesn’t factor in though.

@WhyattThrash Does what you say to Simon matter?

That dialogue option just either gives Humanity or doesn’t, it doesn’t affect the ending. It’s likely you could also get puppet ending by not getting enough Humanity and giving Sophia peace, but I haven’t verified that, and I see little reason one would ever want that.

I have, however a playthrough where I have enough Humanity to pick up the Golden Lie before fighting Laxasia, and I still got the puppet ending for letting Sophia live. So if you do that, Humanity absolutely does not matter in the least.

@WhyattThrash Okay thanks for all the help. Appreciate it!

I got the ending but achievement didnt pop

My nose was really big but i chose to let Sophia live and got this achievement/ending. I told mostly the truth but I did actions which gave me enough humanity, which is needed anyway in order to be able to refuse to give your heart at the ending.

So you have to lie a bit (till hair grows long but brunette) in order to get this ending. I think that only letting Sophia to live matters for this outcome.

I gave her peace and refused the heart to geppeto and got this one

Including the above conditions, you also MUST have enough humanity to be able to reject giving your heart. Not having enough, will only give you the option to give your heart at the end. (time to do a 4th run cause I fucked it up LMAO)

NG+ Nameless Puppet with a technique build feels basically impossible, honestly this fight is just pissing me off. I've 100% every souls game ((including Sekiro)some on PS some are on Xbox). Nameless Puppet is honestly just one of the dumbest most bullshit bosses going.

@Mentroxea I’m unsure how much humanity you gain from this but I know that from listening to records all the way through nets you some. I also know that performing certain gestures by specific npcs/structures gains you some as well. If you have a save before the decision try doing those and then come back.

The frozen feast is a good weapon for the last 3 bosses, you can have a technique handle installed to it or reset your build and go for motivation.

The Oroborous is really good for the Nameless puppet, paired with an acid mod and peeking while holding up the Aegis can help a lot. Also using Shot put for immediate staggers. Infinite consumibles can be bought from vendors like the one in the Black rabbit brotherhood base (Malum district).

@noon I tried looking for every single option to get enough humanity, but at this point I had already done or was locked from getting much. Listening to the records didn't give me enough

I lied the whole way, got the golden lie, fought the nameless puppet. No achievement for this.

I killed Sophia but my hair didn't turn white, I managed to get the golden nose and I refused to give my heart. I got the achievement

@GameOverRob Nameless Puppet is trivial if you use the Aegis shield with a build around it.

Honestly this Legion Arm needs nerfed. I did a hole NG+ and NG++ with using this arm and one shot 80% of the bosses because of it.

I discovered that I need a little humanity before interacting with Sophia. I had told the truth throughout ng++. Decide to go back and do as many sidequests as possible. I only listened to 3 albums, got the keys to the trinity and was able to lie 3 or 4 more times. When interacting with the cat he would only caress. And the nose of the frame was only in the first stage, very small.

Yet the option of refusing to give one's heart appeared.

@Tyrian Callows Yep

I only spoke truths the whole game and in the end I didn't have the option to give my heart, starting a ng+ again for this achievement

Basically for this ending then you can play it exactly as you played the Rise of P playthrough, it all just depends on your choice with Sophia?

From what I've been seeing elsewhere people are saying that you need to get to "Level 3" humanity, like @AllysonDuck said get the "You feel warmth" message and then make the decision to not give Sophia peace. But I don't know whether that just tends to get you to roughly the right level of humanity or that that specific choice matters, I can't find anything actually conclusive on it.

@SinFluxx if you scroll up and look at Diego’s comment he said he was able to get the response to show up and he barely had any humanity. Just make sure to lie a decent amount and you’ll be good. I think it really only takes like 3-4 lies.

Ah cheers, basically just get "some" but not enough to trigger Rise of P then...

I got the option to refuse at the "The Ergo is whispering" level.

Ok, so does anyone know a way to backup saves for the game pass version? *Edit* game pass PC

Tried a method online, didn't work, lost my save, no worries I'll just restart, do NG, get the other ending and then do NG+ and get the 3rd ending. Only problem is, I didn't READ gepettos letter, so I didn't get the achievement, I'd REALLY rather not need a 4th playthrough....

I HAVE ACHIEVED THIS BY TAKING THE WAY OF LIE AND LETTING SOPHIA LIVE.
I IMAGINE THAT THE TRIGGER THAT ACTIVATES THIS ENDING IS
THE CHOICE BETWEEN "GIVE PEACE"(Final Rise of P) and "LET HER LIVE"(Final Free from the puppet string).

I think a lot of people have verified already that it's not just about that decision. It's just that giving her peace gives you a load of humanity points, so is likely to tip you into the Rise of P ending, especially if you've been picking a lot of other humanity points along the way.

I mean I don't have direct evidence because I've not watched any playthroughs, people in this thread talk about giving Sophia peace but still getting the free from the puppet strings ending: https://old.reddit.com/r/LiesOfP/comments/172izwn/lies_of_p_...

i messed this up quite i'm on third playthrough and only have story of the blue butterfly and free from the puppet strings left looks like i'm gonna go to 4th playthrough to get one of those

Do you need to defeat the Nameless Puppet to get this achievement?

Yes

I got this normally on my first blind run, i even grant peace to sophia. So this is the normal ending if you don't have enough Humanity or Give the hearth.

Got a littl econfussion because i have a secret Achievement pending, but is the one to give hearth, so made a NG+ 3 run for nothing... 6 hours wasted... GG.

What exactly happens with this ending?

In Rise of P, Geppetto calls you son, you mourn his death, and you end up giving Sophia a second life by putting her soul in a puppet. In this ending, Geppetto says that you’re just a puppet and you don’t revive Sophia.

Level 1 is strings react level 2 ergo whispering Level 3 is warmth I believe Heart pounding is level 4

@Podcir possibly, I just know the choices above are the ones that got me the achievement. Also saw some people on reddit talk about how they did a lying play through, but chose to let her live and ended up getting this ending. So, I think it does kinda matter lol

So as long as you don’t give Sophia peace you can get this ending after beating Nameless Puppet?

I am playing my NG+ focusing on this achievement and only telling the truth, but I Saw somewhere that you need to have at least received the message "You Feel Warm" or something like that to refuse give Geppetto your heart.

Can someone confirm this?
I definitely don't want to play the game again.

This decision literally directly determines the ending. There might be some edge case where you’d have enough Humanity to refuse the heart, but there’s also some minimum Humanity requirement to be able to get Rise of P, but as long as you let her live you get locked into this ending. It’s absolutely not as simple as having lots of Humanity = Rise of P though. And as far as I know no one has experimented with finding a Humanity threshold for being able to get Rise of P.

I don’t know why my guy said in all caps the same thing as the solution, but they’re just repeating what the solution says. If there’s any evidence or theory that any other choice matters then feel free to present it.