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No Dice

No Dice

Complete a game of Liar's Dice without losing a single die.

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How to unlock the No Dice achievement in Red Dead Redemption - Definitive Guide

Although freelance's stradegy can work, the AI can vary it took me a good 10 tries to get this; here's a couple tips that should help:

It comes down to luck a lot but having higher numbers are good because the AI thinks it more rare to get higher numbers so use those to your advantage, but be honest.

Coming off from the first hint I found it good to never bluff and just be honest the whole time and say what you have cause the AI, depending on how it acts, will often call a bluff.

I got it when I was just playing against one person, it makes the game much quicker and easier to predict what is true and what is a bluff.

Pay attention to previous bids, one time the AI called that there were 2 threes and then a turn later said there were 4, so clearly he was bluffing. So pay close attention to the bids as you may catch a slip up.


Most of all I just wanna reinforce that you should really do this with just one opponent as it becomes vastly easier.
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19 May 2010 22:05

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I just kept saving and going back until there was one guy playing, took about 15 mins altogether.
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By StartSmallss on 20 May 2010 18:21
Yeah, I should have mentioned, saving before hand is good in case you run out of money as well.
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By TORSUVii on 20 May 2010 18:24
I had trouble with this, kept relaoding untill there was one guy, and he kept beating me, thought i sucked, but i tried it against two players and they just kept bluffing the hell out of eachother, and i got it by telling the truth, the more dice you have and the less your opponants have the easier it really is.
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By TouchMyMinki on 31 May 2010 22:14
Thieves Landing is perfect for this, because if you have enough money, you can go buy the bandana from the tailor in that same town. Put the bandana on and lasso up and hogtie the second player at the liar's dice table. Then run out of the saloon, take the mask off, and then walk back in and start a game with the one player at the table.
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By SashaQ on 06 Jun 2010 05:43
Forgot to mention, that the bandana is pointless if you don't care about your honor being affected if you choose to hogtie the second player at the table.
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By SashaQ on 06 Jun 2010 05:44
This worked perfectly!
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By QuestMoreLand on 19 Jun 2010 16:25
Lol at SashaQ's method :D. Gunna go try this.
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By Kahuna28 on 10 Jul 2010 13:52
Very good guide
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By keanosmagic on 10 Jul 2010 21:49
Good guide. Played against two other guys and just played honest. One of the other guys will often call a bluff on the last player, hence they destroy for each other. And often you can tell its a bluff when they suddenly bet way high
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By Carbokris on 20 Jul 2010 01:30
ARHHH. i carnt bring the number of die down it wont let me
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By NbD o ReFLeeXzZ on 02 Sep 2010 01:43
The number of dice can only go up.
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By AdolphMarx on 22 Jan 2011 22:59
If you travel to the Liars Dice in Escalara, there is always only one man playing so it makes it alot easier.
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By K3YFRAME on 25 Mar 2011 22:30
I found that in Escalara although there's only one guy playing he tends to be very good. After playing him loads and winning but not being able to hold on to all my dice I gave up on the achievement. However I had a quick go in Thieves Landing and found that although there are usually two players in thieves landing they are quite thick so a great deal easier to beat.
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By BrutalSleeper on 30 Jul 2011 15:26
A stranger mission - the guy at the back of the cinema in Armadillo - asks you to win a deed from a game in Thieves Landing. Once you win the first game the black guy gets ups and leaves.
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By x Fever on 04 Dec 2011 19:15
Great solution!! I recommend adding SashaQ's comment to your solution.
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By DillionDay on 03 Sep 2012 16:44
Great solution.
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By Lebrohnski on 23 Feb 2013 06:47
Thanks, great solution!
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By KrankiPantz on 06 May 2014 05:30
If there is two guys lasso and hog tie the one and wait for the other to sit down, you may have to pick up the hog tied guy.
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By L J EDM on 29 May 2014 15:59
I tried this in Thieves Landing. 9/10 times there were two people, so I would hogtie one of them as quickly as possible, then leave the saloon for a few seconds and come back. If you happened to lose a die, you can always quit out and join in again.
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By psportal on 24 Jul 2022 09:07
I never had 1 opponent either 3 or the table is empty !
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By Mo Bouchanan on 30 Jan 2023 15:30
Um, okay, well there are a bunch of locations to find it, Thieves' Landing is the first place you unlock that has the Liar's dice game available. I didn't post it because the guy above me already said it's location so I didn't see any point in repeating information, the fact you voted me down cause of that is a little sad.
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By TORSUVii on 22 May 2010 08:31
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*Edit* When I played, there was only one player at the table. It was later at night, so the tables might be thinner then.

The way I got this was by playing at Thieves Landing. The Liar's Dice Table is in the corner of the saloon, by the blackjack table. All I did was just say how many of a certain number I had (I never bluffed), and the guy I was playing called my bluff every time.
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19 May 2010 01:03

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so there was only one opponent in your game, because there is always 2 at my table. Which screws your solution up.
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By splicegraph on 19 May 2010 15:45
September 2021, this is by far the best and easiest way to get this achievement. It's also a great way to rack to money fast!
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By The Cherished on 14 Sep 2021 02:51
Yeah, sorry. I didn't realize there could be more than one opponent, because there was always just the one guy.
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By erase yr face on 19 May 2010 21:04
I got this achievement during the stranger storyline involving that guy in the Thieves Landing Saloon. If you beat him twice you get the deed to his land for the dude behind the movie theater in Armadillo. The dude in Armadillo basically tells you he wants the guy's land but the guy won't sell but that he's a degenerate gambler and you could probably win the deed off him. Then go to Thieves Landing and beat him twice and you'll get $400, the deed to his land, and the No Dice achievement all in one go.
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By DeafAtheist on 21 May 2010 15:01
I actually got it on the second go against 2 players and found it quite easy. For the most part they will call each others bluffs which is no risk to you (I didn't see them call an "Exact" which could hurt).

By the time I had to make a call they'd already argued themselves down to 5 v 3 v 2 which made it slightly easier to guestimate their calls than a straight 5 v 5 would have been.
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By Xebu on 22 May 2010 08:44
to get the table down to 2 players from one player, i lasso'd on of them and dragged him towards the door, then ran out fo the saloon. Another guy ran after me with a pistol so i quickly hogtied him and ran back into the saloon. The player i had lasso'd was near the table but not sat down so i ran to the table before he could sit there again and managed to keep it 1v1
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By MC Damo on 24 May 2010 19:15
Got it on my 3rd try doing this. I'm so glad he bluff all of them
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By DJB Hustlin on 29 May 2011 22:04
When I got a guy down to his last die, he called 1*[1], and I had the shittiest hand, but I had a single [1], so I called it Spot-On at 2, and got the achievement.

AND total props for the guy who talked about hogtying one of the players and carrying them out. (I had to carry them out in order to make the game playable)
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By Wanderer128 on 07 Jan 2012 06:50
perfect man. Got to a table of two at night. Got it on my third try. bid honest and let the other two guys bluff. TKS!!
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By on 17 Jan 2013 17:17
Totally worked, did this on my third try as well. Thanks man!
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By Loofahdog on 02 Jun 2013 19:17
It's 2018, and there is always 2 other players at the table. I played from 11pm until 7am.
I'll try to lasso one of them.
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By E vee dub on 21 Apr 2018 23:51
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*Edit* When I played, there was only one player at the table. It was later at night, so the tables might be thinner then.

The way I got this was by playing at Thieves Landing. The Liar's Dice Table is in the corner of the saloon, by the blackjack table. All I did was just say how many of a certain number I had (I never bluffed), and the guy I was playing called my bluff every time.
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19 May 2010 01:03

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so there was only one opponent in your game, because there is always 2 at my table. Which screws your solution up.
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By splicegraph on 19 May 2010 15:45
Yeah, sorry. I didn't realize there could be more than one opponent, because there was always just the one guy.
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By erase yr face on 19 May 2010 21:04
I actually got it on the second go against 2 players and found it quite easy. For the most part they will call each others bluffs which is no risk to you (I didn't see them call an "Exact" which could hurt).

By the time I had to make a call they'd already argued themselves down to 5 v 3 v 2 which made it slightly easier to guestimate their calls than a straight 5 v 5 would have been.
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By Xebu on 22 May 2010 08:44
to get the table down to 2 players from one player, i lasso'd on of them and dragged him towards the door, then ran out fo the saloon. Another guy ran after me with a pistol so i quickly hogtied him and ran back into the saloon. The player i had lasso'd was near the table but not sat down so i ran to the table before he could sit there again and managed to keep it 1v1
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By MC Damo on 24 May 2010 19:15
Got it on my 3rd try doing this. I'm so glad he bluff all of them
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By DJB Hustlin on 29 May 2011 22:04
When I got a guy down to his last die, he called 1*[1], and I had the shittiest hand, but I had a single [1], so I called it Spot-On at 2, and got the achievement.

AND total props for the guy who talked about hogtying one of the players and carrying them out. (I had to carry them out in order to make the game playable)
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By Wanderer128 on 07 Jan 2012 06:50
perfect man. Got to a table of two at night. Got it on my third try. bid honest and let the other two guys bluff. TKS!!
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By on 17 Jan 2013 17:17
Totally worked, did this on my third try as well. Thanks man!
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By Loofahdog on 02 Jun 2013 19:17
It's 2018, and there is always 2 other players at the table. I played from 11pm until 7am.
I'll try to lasso one of them.
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By E vee dub on 21 Apr 2018 23:51
September 2021, this is by far the best and easiest way to get this achievement. It's also a great way to rack to money fast!
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By The Cherished on 14 Sep 2021 02:51
I got this achievement during the stranger storyline involving that guy in the Thieves Landing Saloon. If you beat him twice you get the deed to his land for the dude behind the movie theater in Armadillo. The dude in Armadillo basically tells you he wants the guy's land but the guy won't sell but that he's a degenerate gambler and you could probably win the deed off him. Then go to Thieves Landing and beat him twice and you'll get $400, the deed to his land, and the No Dice achievement all in one go.
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By DeafAtheist on 21 May 2010 15:01
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While doing the stranger mission "Lights, Camera, Action" you will be tasked with winning a deed from a guy playing liars dice in thieves landing. Use your property in thieves landing to save your game then go to the saloons liars dice table, If there is more then 1 player there reload your save and try again until you get just the 1 player ( the guy for the mission ). it took me 5 reloads before i got just the one player.

Once you start playing the best tip would be to not bluff unless you have to. The AI wasnt to smart and it took me just a few minutes to beat him, get the deed for the mission and unlock the achievement.

Also, On a side note. the following is from Red Dead Wiki:

Each round of Liar's Dice in Thieves' Landing during "Lights, Camera, Action" will cost everyone at the table a whopping $200 -- ten times the normal ante amount. Because you can ante indefinitely, this is the single most profitable opportunity in the game. You can spend real hours amassing a ridiculous fortune. (Playing for the better part of the day yielded this editor over $50,000.) To maximize your profits, the best strategy is to ensure that you're playing one-on-one with deed holder Lyle Mouton. Chances are another man might be at the table, so if you save before entering the saloon and keep reloading that save, you'll eventually be able to land a match with Mouton alone. You may periodically get up from the table to engage Autosave to preserve your growing earnings, and Lyle will stay seated for you to repeatedly join him at that $200 ante. As long as you don't leave the saloon and save elsewhere, Lyle (and his awful AI strategy) is there for the taking, indefinitely! Once Lyle leaves the table and the mission enters the Spatchcock phase, antes return to normal.

Hope this helps
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02 Jul 2010 14:47

in addition to what freelance and bricoli said. if you are unsure if the AI is bluffing or not on his bid, try using R stick an bidding on a different face die that you have, an pay attention to his next bid. this is where you can catch him slippin. he will either bid off of your die or his orignal face die. if he goes back to his, its usually a bluff. and if he bids on your die, usually its the truth.
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27 May 2010 01:23

First of all, this game is a little easier to win when it is 1v1. I got the achievement in a 1v1v1 game, though, so it is possible to do it with more than two players. In fact, the AI tends to beat themselves up when playing with more than one, giving you a good chance of keeping your die while they lose their own to each other.

The strategy for liars dice is to either call opponents bluffs or predict their bid as being true. Doing either of those will cause them to lose a die. If you are wrong, i.e., you call a bluff but there are at least as many die as they bid, then you lose a die. You also lose a die if you call a "Spot On" and there are not exactly that number of die. Declaring a "Spot On" is a risky move but depending on how the game plays out, it may be a wise choice.

For starters, when you are making a bid try to remain truthful. I have never had the AI call "Spot On" on me. If they bid too high for you to remain truthful, examine your die, take into account how many they have on the table, and figure if it would be safe to fugde a bid, call their bluff, or , in rare, CALCULATED cases, declare a spot on.

As your opponents die count drops the game becomes much easier, letting you spot obvious bluffs. If they say there are three 6's on the table and they only have two die you know they are lying.

If you lose a die I would still recommend playing the game out. The more you play the more you understand the game mechanics and the easier it becomes.

It is actually a fun parlor game to play and waste time as well.
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22 Jun 2010 18:14

in addition to what freelance and bricoli said. if you are unsure if the AI is bluffing or not on his bid, try using R stick an bidding on a different face die that you have, an pay attention to his next bid. this is where you can catch him slippin. he will either bid off of your die or his orignal face die. if he goes back to his, its usually a bluff. and if he bids on your die, usually its the truth.
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27 May 2010 01:23

First of all, this game is a little easier to win when it is 1v1. I got the achievement in a 1v1v1 game, though, so it is possible to do it with more than two players. In fact, the AI tends to beat themselves up when playing with more than one, giving you a good chance of keeping your die while they lose their own to each other.

The strategy for liars dice is to either call opponents bluffs or predict their bid as being true. Doing either of those will cause them to lose a die. If you are wrong, i.e., you call a bluff but there are at least as many die as they bid, then you lose a die. You also lose a die if you call a "Spot On" and there are not exactly that number of die. Declaring a "Spot On" is a risky move but depending on how the game plays out, it may be a wise choice.

For starters, when you are making a bid try to remain truthful. I have never had the AI call "Spot On" on me. If they bid too high for you to remain truthful, examine your die, take into account how many they have on the table, and figure if it would be safe to fugde a bid, call their bluff, or , in rare, CALCULATED cases, declare a spot on.

As your opponents die count drops the game becomes much easier, letting you spot obvious bluffs. If they say there are three 6's on the table and they only have two die you know they are lying.

If you lose a die I would still recommend playing the game out. The more you play the more you understand the game mechanics and the easier it becomes.

It is actually a fun parlor game to play and waste time as well.
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22 Jun 2010 18:14

This achievement is fairly easily won in the right circumstance. The difficult part is finding the Liar's Dice table with only two other players.

Once you have found the right table, simply play conservatively and keep track of how many dice each player has left. In the beginning makes your bets based on what you have in your cup and let the other two raise from there. Generally one will call bluff on you for what you know you have or call bluff on your other opponent

If you don't go first, pay attention to what the other two bet. It is rare for them to bluff on their first bet, so they likely are telling you what they have. Add what you have of that number to their bet and place that bet.

Once you get ahead by a couple dice, the above strategy plays out very easily. The hardest part is just making it through the first couple rounds. Later in the game you are more likely to need to use the "exact bet" wager. If the player before you makes a bet you don't know you can beat, don't bluff, just call it as exact. More often that not you'll win and both opponents will lose a die.

The other strategy to remember is to just sit down with enough to play through several games. If you lose a die, don't quit but play it out. It will help you refine the strategy. In addition, at the end of the game you can replay against the same number of opponents if you don't stand up.
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27 Sep 2010 21:32

This achievement is fairly easily won in the right circumstance. The difficult part is finding the Liar's Dice table with only two other players.

Once you have found the right table, simply play conservatively and keep track of how many dice each player has left. In the beginning makes your bets based on what you have in your cup and let the other two raise from there. Generally one will call bluff on you for what you know you have or call bluff on your other opponent

If you don't go first, pay attention to what the other two bet. It is rare for them to bluff on their first bet, so they likely are telling you what they have. Add what you have of that number to their bet and place that bet.

Once you get ahead by a couple dice, the above strategy plays out very easily. The hardest part is just making it through the first couple rounds. Later in the game you are more likely to need to use the "exact bet" wager. If the player before you makes a bet you don't know you can beat, don't bluff, just call it as exact. More often that not you'll win and both opponents will lose a die.

The other strategy to remember is to just sit down with enough to play through several games. If you lose a die, don't quit but play it out. It will help you refine the strategy. In addition, at the end of the game you can replay against the same number of opponents if you don't stand up.
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27 Sep 2010 21:32

I was able to get a game of Liar's Dice with just one other person late at night in Thieves Landing. Early on I would be honest with what I had and the AI would sometimes get a bit high with the guess of the number of dice. Once the AI was down to a couple of dice they would guess a number of dice that wasn't possible to be on the table. Was able to get it on the first try.
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25 Apr 2011 00:18

I was able to get a game of Liar's Dice with just one other person late at night in Thieves Landing. Early on I would be honest with what I had and the AI would sometimes get a bit high with the guess of the number of dice. Once the AI was down to a couple of dice they would guess a number of dice that wasn't possible to be on the table. Was able to get it on the first try.
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25 Apr 2011 00:18

I don't claim any credit for this advice, but it works and is found on the Red Dead Redemption Wiki (reddead.wikia.com)

First and foremost, it is far easier to win at this game when playing against only ONE opponent. The dynamics of bid escalation, guesswork, and AI tendencies make it so that your best chance in this game lies in a simple duel. After all, this game involves mathematical probability; it's easier when the table's total dice count is 10 instead of 15. Also, it's easier to read one mind rather than two.
Note that NPCs rarely, if ever, call out a bluff on bids lower than four of anything. For example if you bid that there is at least 3 fives, the NPC(s) will rarely ever call out that bluff. It may be different if facing only one NPC.

The exception is if they don't possess at least 1 die of the face value you are betting on, even if you're betting there's 2, they will say you are bluffing. This leads to one of the easiest winning strategies (for one on one especially) which is to just tell the truth and bet whatever doubles/triples you have, most of the time they lack a dice of the same value and will call your non-existent bluff, leading to an easy (and reliably repeatable) win. In a game with 3 players, if they DO have a die of the same value, they will raise the bet to a higher value and almost always get called bluffing by the 3rd player, either way resulting in your dice laying untouched.

When bidding, seek out multiple dice with the same number, i.e. three 4s, and bid what you have. If you haven't got any multiples, bid one of your singles. It's often good to bid on your lower dice, to leave headroom for subsequent bids to cover the higher-valued dice (i.e. if you have 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, bid there is one 1 -- if the opponent bids two 2s, because you have a 2 yourself, you can then either call spot-on or raise the bid to three 2s if you think there's another 2 out there).

The best approach is to bid what you have (or one less than what you have) and avoid bluffing -- avoid guessing (or hoping) your opponent has one more of the die you need. Although, sometimes the NPC might surprise you!

NPCs very often call your bluff, not believing you when you say you have 2 or 3 or more of a particular die. They may also be forced into an obvious bluff (i.e. you bid three 6s, then they jump the bid to five 6s).

NPCs rarely, if ever, use the Spot On bid, so the player can gain a sizeable advantage by learning to use spot-on properly. It is confirmed that, at least in one-on-one matches, your NPC opponent NEVER uses the spot-on bid!

If you can get your opponent down to one die remaining, the game is in the bag. The NPC will ALWAYS bid the value of their die honestly during their initial bid. Their bid's quantity might vary between one or two, but the bid's face value is always the truth. If they bid one 2, they have one 2; if they bid two 4s, they have one 4. Therefore, if they bid two 6s and you have one 6 yourself, you can successfully bid spot-on because you know the total is two 6s. If they bid two 6s and you have none, by the process of elimination you know they are lying. If they bid two 6s and you have three of your own, you can raise the bid to three or four 6's; they will either either erroneously call your bluff, or raise it to an impossible amount where you'd know they were lying. Also, if you have a pair of something other than the value they bid (i.e. they bid one 2 and you have two 4s), bid on your pair; they will always erroneously call your bluff.

In summary, because NPCs often call bluffs they shouldn't, and they often make their own obvious bluffs, and they NEVER (at least in one-on-one matches) use spot-on bidding, and their endgame strategy is awful, as they will always say what they actually have as their last die, and so you can either go spot-on if you don't have the same die or if you do raise the number, and then the NPC will raise again, which doesn't make sense so this game can easily be mastered.
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In addition to the advice of other guides, this is much easier 1v1.
Lasso and hogtie any extra players, then sit at the table to win against the remaining NPC.
Other NPCs will only draw their guns when using a lasso, if your Fame and Honor are positively high enough.

Surprising this isn't mentioned in the other guides and it's May 2018.
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22 Apr 2018 00:19

Make sure you tie up or eliminate the 2nd player, to even out the odds & make it a 1v1.

Keep it honest & bid with what you already have, then increase by +1 until they call bluff. If they still raise the bid higher to an unlikely number, then you call bluff. (only when they exaggerate)

No Dice Trophy - RDR1 (EASY)
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18 Nov 2023 22:56

This mini-game is based off of pure luck. The whole point is to guess how many of the die faces have the same number when revealed. The best way to tackle the game is to place honest bets on your own dice. Follow the in-game tutorial and play several games to get the hang of how the game works. If the AI numbers seem honest, such as two low number dice faces, it could be correct. This isn't always true but it does seem to be a running pattern.

Holding onto all five of your dice is very difficult in a game of chance so keep at it until you knock the AI out of the game.

You will find Liar's Dice in the following locations:

  • Thieves' Landing
  • Casa Madrugada
  • Escalera
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This game is quite fun but kind of confusing if you don't know how to play. You start off with 5, six-sided "dies" which is your dice. The point is to bid on the face and quantity of dice there is in the whole table. You can find liar's dice in saloon's and the first opportunity to play Liar's Dice will be in Thieves' Landing.

Start off the bid with the quantity on x5 and my face on 5. The next bidder can either raise the bid to a higher quantity or a higher face with the same quantity of the previous bid. Keep in mind that you can bluff by bidding on more quantities even if you don't have that many in your cup. If you do this and another player calls a bluff then each player reveals their dice, all quantities and faces combine to your bid. Lets say that you bid x6 on the number 5 face and you only have x5, 5 faced Dice but another player has the same face you bid on, then it will count towards your bid and make your bid true. If it's false then it's considered a bluff and you will lose a die.

The best strategy I found was to always be honest and start off your quantity to be high, it usually causes the next bidder to exaggerate and make a bluff thus causing him to lose a die. Also try to make all players to lose dies on each other. Best way to do this is by being honest and bidding on a low quantity and low face. Sometimes you will have to lie and make a bluff, the A.I usually calls your bluff so be careful and only use it if you think they might have your faced bid. Just be honest and play smart and you won't have a problem getting this. If you lose a die then try not to quit the game, get to know how the game is played as it really is a great game.

Here is a visual walkthrough, credit goes to leadexample:

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To get this trophy you need to play the game against one opponent and be completely honest - the computer is more likely to think you are a liar than to believe you. If it is your turn first and you have 2 or more dice, name them. The computer will most likely decide that you are cheating and will blame you and lose one dice. After that, the process will be easier, since it will already have 4 dice. If the computer goes and tries to say a number of 2 or more dice, and you do not have a single such dice, then you can safely say that it is bluffing and most likely you will be right. Video guide (en).
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