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The Savant

The Savant

Beat the All-Star Circuit with every character.

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How to unlock the The Savant achievement in Rockstar Table Tennis - Definitive Guide

Hi, so heres my guide to getting this achievement.

First off I'm not going to say "all you have to do is" or "it's simply a case of" or "you can easily", this achievement has a high ratio for a reason, it's challenging. You will need patience, luck and skill to get it, unless of course you are some sort of gaming God, I'm not so I needed all the above.

You will probably find that there are only 2 characters that give you a problem each time you play-through, Jung Soo and Mark, so this is really a combination of methods that worked for me when beating them myself,

Set-Up
Most people know that you can adjust the game parameters for the tournaments in the game options menu, so set the games to 1 of 1, points per game = 7 and points per serve = 5. (if you haven't got The All-Star yet (my advice use Mark), you can restore default settings).


Ace Serves
I've found that you can get an ace serve past everyone except Jung Soo and Mark.

Some people have asked me to say where to stand for each one, but this isn't practical, there are several spots to stand in to get an ace, and although you can often use the same spot, you may need to alter it depending on who you are playing with or against.

For example, you could stand 6 sidesteps right and one back, then use X holding down and left and get an ace, then against the next opponent they will return that type, but by standing 7 sidesteps and using X holding left you will ace them.

Ace positions that worked for me included
1. 4 sidesteps to max sidesteps right, X and hold left
2. 4 sidesteps to max sidesteps right and back one full (or the little shuffle), X and hold left
3. as 2, but hold down and left

Try to get max power and spin if you can.

The most common position seemed to be 6 or 7 sidesteps right, 1 back, X holding down and left, althought 7 sidesteps right, X holding left also worked well.

As it differs with who you play as and against, use the above as a basis and you shouldn't go far wrong, don't expect to get ace serves everytime against every player, but I found if they returned my first shot I needed to change my ace serving position and that usually did the trick.

Jung Soo and Mark. (sometimes Juergen)
Dont try to ace serve them, they will return it everytime, try using a low powered Y, aimed to the left generally, I found that if I served with the speed bar at around 30ish % (usually at the level the outer edge white spin meter gets to) they didn't do an unreturnable return of serve.

I did find that Carmen was able to do a B based Ace serve (sidestep left) attempt that forced Jung Soo so wide when he returned I was able to immediately counter and win a point everytime.

Returning Serves.
This doesn't work everytime, but by returning with a Y&B and holding down and right, quite often they will return it into the net, or it will drop over the table and they can't return, it works better against some than others, but it is a cheap way to get points and is usually a safe way to keep the ball in play.

General Tips.
This is vital when playing against Jung Soo and Mark, but helps with some others. Each player has a side where they can return very fast low shots, hard to counter, so try to keep them on the opposite side, I prefered to keep playing to Jung Soos right and Marks left (but Mark is tricky so I varied it depending on who I was playing as).

It's boring but try to use LB&Y holding down and left, hitting across the table onto their right. This keeps the play sort of slow and you can win points by either them playing it into the net, or under the table, or with time you will get an opportunity to do a X or X&A and force them very wide, you can then counter with a A or B&A to the opposite side. This does not work every time, but more times than not, and can be flipped so you play onto their left and use B or B&A to send them wide, countering with A, X, or X&A.

Focus Bar
Some characters build up the bar quickly, which is helpful, so use it when you have it, but don't worry about trying to fill it, let it happen and just concentrate on staying in the rally. I found that using with the focus using a Y&B onto their left gave a good opportunity for a counetr X&A to their right.

Final Adivce
This game will frustrate you, so I broke it down. I would play through until I got to Jung Soo, give it a few goes and if i kept losing, turn it off and play something else, then come back to it and find I beat him fairly quickly, I did the same with Mark, the good thing is once you beat Mark the match for the final is usually easy as they will be vunerable to ace serves.

With some characters I actually found it easier to win points from their serves than my own, so if you are struggling you can try that approach.

Well, thats about as much information as I can pass on, I wish you well and good luck in your attempts to beat that git Mark.
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15 Jan 2010 17:51

35 Comments
nice guide this! Thanks a lot!
... am now playin' with Jung Soo, am half way with him; then I just need to do one more!
that'll be Mark and I've improved my playin' a lot since I played this game at the "early days" ....
but thanks to this guide, the progressing is IMMENSELY been speed up!
Thank you very much for pointing out all of this stuff, adiash73!!!
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By ComesBrothers on 05 Jul 2010 01:44
This is an excellent guide, very informative. Thanks for sharing.
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By FF7 King on 15 Oct 2010 23:56
i agree not that hard.if u dont give up on it.the only playthroughs that gave me some trouble were some of the women.because im a power player and the women lack power.certainly against the stronger men.adiash is spot on about the aces and counters.ididnt know about the aces back then when i finished the savant cuz it was on release so its def possible without aces 2.just practice,practice,practice...
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By FL trooper be on 18 Nov 2010 06:49
Do you have to beat the circuit in 1 go? Let's say I'm half way there and turn off the xbox, when I turn the game back on can I continue ?
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By DaShAg on 29 Jan 2011 08:54
@DaShAg
Yes you can continue if you decide to stop playing during a circuit.
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By Sly Toad on 31 Jan 2011 01:37
Sorry I cannot provide any additional tips to those provided in the solution above.

It was a long time and many games ago that I played this title, also I no longer own it as I always trade my games when I have completed them, so I cannot put it in to check anything either sadly.
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By adiash73 on 23 Dec 2011 11:11
Looks like he managed to get it in the end ^

Just started playing this again and the ace trick is working fine... taking about 15 minutes per character at the mo... not looking forward to facing Mark with some of the weaker people though!
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By Pukey UK on 11 Feb 2012 22:01
Good guide. Will definitely be using this on my Savant run through.
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By MH The Rockstar on 15 Feb 2012 23:54
This is the definition of an incredible, informative guide! This is gonna be my Bible as I go through it.
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By ShaneKarma on 20 Mar 2012 20:22
Great guide adi. Starting to go for this soon. Glad that you can set it to 7 points and 1 game. I didn't know that.
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By LAFTA on 07 Sep 2012 10:42
Just wanted to add all the combos i remember. Mark can be aced about 50% of the time from Juergen, if you go max steps right, use X, and hold LS at full power. Characters with high spin characteristics I used to hit flat spin (hold XA and LS down and left, or AB and LS down and to the right) to the side they prefer, Ex. Kumi spins shots to her left better than the right, Juergen to the left, ect. I never hit smashes unless Mark or Jung Soo were well out of position, everyone else is inconsequential because they can be ace served unless you are playing as Jasper, who I couldn't get to ace serve to save my life. Luckily he is a scandinavian beast who just crushes the ball so I didn't need it. Anyways, the players with high spin I just kept on hitting it to the same spot and keeping the ball tight to the lines using the combos above. Mark and Jung Soo tend to make a lot of mistakes against this sort of spin and ball positioning. Make no mistake, these two are awesome, more so Mark, so they need to be outwitted rather than trying to get into a smash war. The only guy I played with that could keep up with Mark with the power was Jasper. I do have one tip serving to these two, since you cant really ace them with but with maybe one or two players, you can still turn it to your advantage by placing your right handed players (one was a southpaw, I forget who, but he would be opposite) one step outside the table edge to the right. Hold down LS down and left and hold XY, try anywhere from 50% to 100% power, it varies for each player. The goal is to have them play the ball from off the table to the left. Some players I had this down so well, Mark was hitting the net half of the time trying to return the serve. Once I got that down, I ended up crushing the terrible twosome the last 7 or so times I met them. Achievement really is easy. I had never played the game before a few days ago, and the achievement from start to finish took around 5 hours. I don't see why anyone armed with the right serves can't take this achievement down easily. Most of what is in the guide here is good info as well, just thought I'd add what worked for me. Also, upvote this guide, its a good starting point, I had to experiment to get what worked for me, but it was a great resource to begin with to learn how to play the game (I didn't pay attention during the tutorial :)
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By IrishBeatdown on 30 Apr 2013 06:20
I'm going for this right now, and thought I'll add my thoughts as I go along for any particular problems I've encountered over and above what has been already said.

Cassidy vs Jung Soo/Mark - The ace serve doesn't work. What I have found DOES work is this. Step twice to the left, and serve a FULL POWER "YB" shot whilst holding the left stick down/right. They both tend to return into the net, or out.

Jeurgen vs Mark - The above doesn't quite work for an ace serve, but the technique is still sound. Constantly playing a "YB" whilst holding down right will cause Mark to make a mistake. Highest rally ~30, but usually around the 12 mark (heh, excuse the pun).

Kumi - using Kumi is a pain. I've found the only consistent way to win is to take two steps left, one step back and hit a FULL POWER "YB" serve whilst holding down/right. This won't ace the opponent, but they will tend to net/out their return. If not, just keep hitting the same and about 75% of the time they will make a mistake.
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By grex9101 on 05 Jun 2013 23:45
^I found Grex9101 info above to be the best for Jeurgan with Kumi...Just to add my bit to this thread vs. Jeurgan if you get passed Kumis serve phase against Jeurgan and lose a few serves to him you can easily win 2-3 points off of Jeurgan's serve.

To start off do not move Kumi an inch keep her where she begins ,As he serves the key is to start charging your return the INSTANT the ball hits his paddle on his serve. Once the ball hits the paddle during his serve start holding down right with LS and hold A+Bas well. Near the very end of charging your controller is likely to shake DO NOT stop charging it is unlikely it will go off the table. If he happens to return this just keep returning with Down Right on LS and A+B. I was able to consistently get 1 or 2 points away from his serve doing this.

NOTE: I also changed serves to 5 in the options instead of 2.

EDIT2:All the info above just worked brilliant at Mark for me as well. Beat him second try 7-3. One more thing to add if after Grex's serve spot Mark returns keep hitting to the same side you started if possible. If you ever see Mark activate his Focus ( he will go into slow motion) on the VERY next return activate yours and hold down the same direction you have been hitting plus A as long as possible do not let go. I was able to score on him almost everytime this happened.

In otherwords say I am serving using Grex to the right side of the table using B and Y. If Mark returns use B and LS to the right. Returns again B and LS to the right. If Mark activates focus to get the ball then HOLD RB to activate focus the instant his slow motion stops HOLD B and A and do not let go til it hits the ground. The ball will curve like crazy and he will not be able to get it.

If you were playing the left side of the table all the above would apply except it would be X + A instead of B + A.
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By NINja277 on 25 Jul 2013 17:30
just wanted to state that i constantly have issues with jesper as well so people should be weary when against him hes no where near as bad as mark or jung soo but he can give issues as well with his brute force just a warning for everyone who might decide to do the game near future but great guide adiash very helpful
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By xSt0n3dxD3athx on 04 Nov 2013 15:17
also i could really use some advice on beating the allstar tourney with kumi she's absolutely horrid to play as help please
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By xSt0n3dxD3athx on 04 Nov 2013 17:01
Kumi vs Mark was a fucking nightmare. It's basically 100% luck. angry
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By South Park TFBW on 25 Mar 2015 22:13
Having just beaten the All-Star circuit with Haley, I thought I'd throw in some Haley-specific advice for anyone still working on this, since she seems to give a lot of people trouble.

One big thing I noticed was that her service ace "sweet spot" is four steps to the right, one back and hard leftspin to the left side for most opponents. Even Jesper, who seems somewhat resistant to aces, falls for this in my experience. The only person besides Jung Soo and Mark that this didn't work on was Kumi, but she seems to fall for five steps right and one back instead.

Aside from that, I can't stress enough how important it is to play defensively. Every point I scored that wasn't an ace was earned by spamming LB+YB aimed back and to the right. Just keep doing that and playing conservatively until they make a mistake. I tried to avoid getting greedy and going for a hard smash to the other side unless I forced my opponent WAY out of position, since if they do return an offensive shot like that it's pretty much guaranteed to get by you because of the high speed.

A lot of this advice applies to Kumi as well. The big difference is that her "sweet spot" seems to always be five right, one back and hard leftspin. Also, her super high Spin stat means that she can have difficulty getting the ball over the net if you use those low, weak backspin shots since the backspin will affect her shots more. Because of this, you should be a bit more gentle with aiming the shot backwards than you would with others.

Alright, that's all I have. Just remember that there is a strong luck component to this, no matter how good you are. So just stick with it and it will work out eventually. Good luck!
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By Piston Toyota on 07 Jan 2016 22:13
I never really had any trouble with Kumi. I must admit she never really scored aces for me, but she was agile enough to where I could keep the ball from going past me until I got focus to score on the opponents. Playing her after immobile Jesper was great. I struggled with him greatly on some characters like Haley until I found away to get aces with him.

My only real bit of advice is to just experiment with minor adjustments like maybe one more step left here or there and hold left AND down on the left stick while serving X. Beyond that, make sure to turn of Event Camera. That slo-motion crap threw me off so many times. I found myself much more successful with scoring on the table with that momentum buster turned off.
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By Dragonborn Gear on 28 Feb 2016 22:08
I found Jesper the easiest player To complete All star with. The women were a pain against male players on All star
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By FL trooper be on 29 Feb 2016 08:37
Jasper cannot ace serve. Worst character ever made in the history of video games. Just a ugly gorilla dumb and useless amond the stupid and ugly characters of this game.
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By On Phone Em on 19 Mar 2016 04:03
It's true that Jesper cannot ace serve but he's so powerful that I could rather easily score with him. I played with him for the All star with default settings and it was far from easy especially against Jung Soo and Mark but much easier for me than with other players such as Juergen or Luc.
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By Alysandros on 01 Aug 2016 18:35
It's true that Jesper cannot ace serve but he's so powerful that I could rather easily score with him. I played with him for the All star with default settings and it was far from easy especially against Jung Soo and Mark but much easier for me than with other players such as Juergen or Luc.
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By Alysandros on 02 Aug 2016 10:05
The ace serve locations in the walkthrough are quite good but I found an ace serve for Kumi vs. Juergen that is pretty reliable: take 5 steps to the right, X, press *down*+left, hold X = up+down+halfway up again. Won with 7 out of 7 aces on my serves. Hope this helps someone!
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By The Globalizer on 22 Dec 2021 19:03
Just leaving a little tip for anyone looking for an edge. When returning serves, you can start to hold A (or Y if you prefer) as soon as the ball makes contact with your opponents bat. The key is, then, to wait that fraction of a second before choosing your shot direction. Don't feel like the two need to happen at the same time. As for open play, you can absolutely change your shot direction mid swing. Just make just you're pressing A as early as possible.
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By InfinityOnH1gh on 26 Mar 2023 15:41
Globaliser you are a saviour!
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By MattiasAnderson on 23 Apr 2023 02:10
🎉 Great to hear, Mattias.
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By The Globalizer on 23 Apr 2023 07:39
Haley Vs Juergen = 4 steps to the right and 1 step back! Then up, down, up, down, UP for full power. X button to serve! Bottom left corner.
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By MattiasAnderson on 23 Apr 2023 22:30
Haley Vs Jung Soo 5 steps to the right and then 2 steps back! Up and down 3 times so full power! But it does not work all the time! EDIT. Weird game! Managed three times in 5 serves and then it never worked again. I leave this comment since it might be worth trying out.

I found another way that seem to be better! 5 steps to the left! And up, down and here between orange and red go for it. Experiment with the 5 steps to the left if you struggle.

Then vs him I only use The Y button all the time until he hopefully misses!
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By MattiasAnderson on 24 Apr 2023 03:15
Haley Vs Mark! Same as vs Just Soo! The walkthrough says go to the right 6 steps and so on but that shit did not work one bit. I then tried walking 5 steps to the left and somehow Mark seem to struggle with that serve. He tends to hit the net sometimes! So that is the best I have found. And just go up and then on the way down hit it before it gets too low but a bit further down than half the meter.

Then only use the Y button and be ready with RB for the slow motion save when Mark has the advantage with sudden smashes or something. The slow mo thing is the savior when in trouble.
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By MattiasAnderson on 24 Apr 2023 15:56
Liu Ping = The walkthrough says his standard position is 4 steps to the right. Well, wrong! It does work but not against all. For example vs Luc, try 5 steps to the right instead.
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By MattiasAnderson on 24 Apr 2023 18:11
When I wrote this solution, over 13 years ago now, I never imagined the comments would be added to for this long.

Your comments sum up why I avoided the "definitive" positions in favour of a "try this and go from there" approach
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By adiash73 on 24 Apr 2023 21:08
Your guide is great! I added the comments to help out others. Hope that is ok! Some of the comments have saved me in this game.
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By MattiasAnderson on 24 Apr 2023 21:55
For Kumi against Jung Soo/Mark, spam soft backspin shots (LB+Y). It's time consuming, because you have to wait until they hit the net, but it works. I got it at first attempt this way
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By on 31 Aug 2023 18:10
Jesper Ace Serve is 5 steps right, 1 back and max. load bar. For me was the best character to use in default settings circuits
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By NuManny on 08 Dec 2023 21:07
Hey everyone I know this might be old but I really need advice for Lu Ping vs Jung Soo on Expert. I try a video on youtube but the ace serve doesn't always work. I also tried the method mentioned above on General Tips but he seems to return it all the time.
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By desert eagle 11 on 02 Jun 2024 06:21
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I want to add a guide for those that can't get the ace serves to work (or don't want to play that way). To be honest, it isn't necessary, and I think seeing that 'trick' mentioned so much put me off ever trying for this achievement back in the day.

The other guide makes a lot of great points, so does the walkthrough. As with all things, the more you read, the more likely it is that you'll find something that works for you. There are, however, some areas in the other guide that I'll be contradicting.

First, though, let's begin with the obvious. Set the matches to 7 points, 1 game. There are 11 characters, and 10 matches each tournament. That's 110 matches to win. The good news is you can lose a match or restart as often as you like. You never lose progress. Since you'll be playing so many matches, I suggest you try enjoying the game. You'd better play through some easy tournaments first with various characters to get a feel for things. Once you're winning comfortably, move up a level.

Now let's keep it simple. For my play style, I never used side-spin except on service. Backspin and topspin are all you need. Whether you play offensive (topspin) or defensive (backspin) will depend on your character. Some characters, e.g Mark, Jesper, Solayman, can play ultra aggressive and dominate the opponent in most situations. Some characters, e.g. Luc and Haley are mixed. How you play will depend on your opponent. They do not have the power to play topspin against someone like Mark, for example. Finally, with certain characters like Kumi or Liu Ping, I played 80-90% defensive.

I will provide examples for each of these play styles, namely offensive, mixed, and defensive.
Since we’re not ace serving, we will attempt a variety of services. In table tennis, you want to keep your opponent guessing, and this principle worked for me in this game. The opponent is not cheap and, as far as I can tell, does not read your inputs at all. Nevertheless, you want to get good spin on the ball. Practice serving if you need to.

When the rally begins, short-wide shots are your friend. That means pulling the left analogue stick back slightly. This will force your opponent out of position. Keep them pinned down that side, and let your meter build up. Once you’re in focus mode, these wide shots will force an error. Smash it wide.

During these rallies, you want to be pressing A as early as possible. That means as soon as the ball comes off your opponent’s bat. You must focus on positioning. Having played a shot to the wide-left, position yourself on the right. This will allow you to gain extra focus for your meter. Most of the time, the computer is quite predictable. There are certain characters, e.g. Liu Ping and Mark, that can play effectively down the line, but for the most part they will play it diagonally across the table.
Let’s see how this looks in practice.

Mark vs. Luc


Solayman vs. Juergen


Jung Soo vs. Mark


As you can see, not everything goes to plan. You will lose some points. You will make mistakes, you will make poor decisions, and sometimes you will have bad luck. But we stuck to the plan. We won points by forcing the opponent wide with pure topspin. Mark is one of the tougher opponents to play aggressively against, and it may be advisable to use a mixed or defensive approach. Let’s take a look.

[videos coming soon]

The key to winning is your special meter. It is so important that you may even find yourself losing a match while remaining in an advantageous position over your opponent. Once your meter is full, you can unleash an onslaught of topspin, forcing your opponent into weaker shots and draining their special meter in the process.

With mixed characters, you can play aggressively against some opponents. In fact, against certain opponents, it’s necessary. You should always be aware of what isn’t working. If you’re struggling in backspin rallies, switch to topspin. If your opponent is dominating forehand rallies, serve to the backhand. It sounds simple, but don’t keep trying the same thing over and over. It’s for that reason, I don’t recommend the ace serves. It’s a play style that will drive you crazy. You must be adaptive.

You must also be patient with mixed characters. Build up your focus meter. Short-wide backspin shots and good positioning will allow you to fill your meter in one or two rallies. Don’t worry if you lose a few points. You’ll turn the game on its head once you have a full green focus meter. Once the meter is full, play aggressively like we practiced before, but try to serve long and with backspin.

Finally, we have the defensive characters. Now it may be that these characters are amazing with sidespin; that is their strength, but we aren’t using sidespin. We’re going to be using backspin exclusively. These characters cannot attack effectively because their shots are too weak. You must have full focus before attempting a topspin shot. Hopefully, you will pick up points via forced errors. Much of the time will be spent containing your opponent with, you guessed it, short-wide backspin shots.

[videos coming soon]

General tips
+ Get into position before your opponent hits the ball.
+ Gamble on your opponent playing across the table.
+ Make your shot as soon as your opponent strikes the ball.
+ Aim wide and short by pulling back diagonally on the analogue stick.
+ Play to the opposite side when your focus meter is active or when you see an obvious opportunity.

- Do not continue to aim your shot after hitting the ball. It will move your player out of position.
- Do not hesitate to change your shot direction mid-swing.
- Do not keep trying the same tactic over and over if it isn’t working.

+ Enjoy the game. Play in short bursts if you’re finding it a little draining.
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I will not give you a positive or a negative based on that this guide does not help me one bit without the button inputs.
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By MattiasAnderson on 24 Apr 2023 03:53
Thanks for the feedback. I will think about how to explain that better when I update the guide. Is there anything specific you'd like to know as far as the inputs go? For example, I recommend pulling the left analogue stick back slightly during shot placement. Do you want me to expand on that or are you looking for something else, such as character movement etc?
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By InfinityOnH1gh on 24 Apr 2023 11:51
It is the topspin and all that! It is hard to do if you don´t know what button do the topspin. So for each suggestion add what button to press. Some people don´t know the terms what they are. In the game I can´t tell what is what. For me it is just a ball flying! lol

It is nice that you added a guide though! Anything can help! I am almost done with the game now.
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By MattiasAnderson on 24 Apr 2023 15:00
Fair enough. I was assuming that people would understand the basics before attempting the hardest achievement in the game.
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By InfinityOnH1gh on 24 Apr 2023 15:50
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This one will take awhile. The easiest way to do this is to change the settings to 1 match, 7 points, 5 points per serve. Use the “Serve an Ace” method below to ensure you the first 5 points. If you’re having trouble scoring else wise, try using constant backspins and the computer should eventually mess up. Also don’t forget you can use button combinations (such as A + X for a Top Left Spin). Use combinations when you focus meter is full.

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