The Flame in the Flood

The Flame in the Flood

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Vegetarian

You survived 40 days in Endless Mode without eating any meat

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How to unlock the Vegetarian achievement in The Flame in the Flood - Definitive Guide

Got it Nov 13, 2017. Started endless mode with 40 ash cake, 9 jerky, and 5 jars of clean water. Didn't kill anything, cheevo popped on day 27. Never had to use jerky, just ate ash cake and various plants. Couple tips, you can sit in calm water at docks until you need sleep, then go onto land. Time passes faster on water than land. I got 3% per day on tracker unless I slept through the day change, then it only gave me 2%, which I believe is why it took me 27 not 22 days. Again it seems the actual achievement is for going 20 days without killing animals.
I did delete saves from Xbox and the cloud before starting, seems to be the thing to do from the forums.
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14 Nov 2017 05:08

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I assume that you started a new endless mode game after storing the 40 ash cake etc. on Aesop and then killing yourself.

I started a new endless mode game after completing the Paleo diet achievement (meat only) because I had a bunch of plants that I didn't eat. I put those on Aesop and killed myself and then started the new endless mode game eating only plants and not killing anything.

I'm currently at about day 10 but my progress meter has remained at 0 so I believe I am going to have to delete my save file and start all over. Obviously, Vegetarian and Paleo Diet achievements are still bugged. I'll update this later.
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By BKLortz on 12 Dec 2017 15:48
Your assumption is correct, Paleo and vegetarian were on separate endless modes
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By BRARROW on 16 Dec 2017 16:04
I deleted all saves then started an endless run. I farmed the first few zones that contain farms for corn to make ashcakes gave them to dog and died repeatedly.
On my run I had 40 ashcakes 5 bottled water and 5 lumber for campfires (cold is brutal until you get a stove)
It popped on morning 21 (I'm so happy) so it does seem not killing animals is the trigger.

Thanks to Brarrow for the dock camping tip and good luck to everyone else.
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By LordSamoni1 on 16 Dec 2017 21:48
And NOW, just to confuse things, it was day 20, raining, I went to sleep in a bait shop, achievement popped.

And it was day 22. Something happened to day 21, apparently.
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By Sashamorning on 27 Jul 2018 02:22
I am confused. The guide said it started with a lot of stuff (assuming he stock them with the dog and kill himself off) but later it said he has to delete the game save from everywhere before starting the game. Now if you delete the save file and start from scratch, how can you still have all those food to start with?
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By TheFirstWonder on 03 Aug 2018 05:21
Deleted the saves before I started saving my stash on the dog, this achievement was unobtainable for a long time so I already had all the other cheevos
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By BRARROW on 04 Aug 2018 02:11
Thanks. I Just 100% the game and this is my last one. I can confirm that this achievement is actually going for 20 days without killing animal.
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By TheFirstWonder on 04 Aug 2018 13:09
There is a huge glitch between the Vegetarian and the Paleo Diet achievements.

They are switched for some reason.

Updates to unlock these achievements:

Vegetarian: Eat meat for 40 Days
Paleo Diet: Eat plants for 40 Days

I am currently trying to only eat meat but the Xbox achievement tracker is only updating the Vegetarian achievement
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By DeftDapperDan on 30 Mar 2022 04:57
After a few days of playtime, it seems like everything went back to normal. Except my progress for both Paleo and Vegetarian achievements got reverted back to 0%. When I unlocked "Under the Stars" achievement, I also unlocked the Paleo achievement (it was at 10%). I honestly have no idea what is going with this achievement system.

I kid you not, the Paleo and Vegetarian achievements are 100% glitched.
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By DeftDapperDan on 01 Apr 2022 06:05
Yeah this, Paleo and Under the Stars are definitely bugged in a good way now. It doesn't seem to matter what I do whether that's kill animals, sleep in churches and buses, eat meat or eat plants. All three trackers just keep going up every day (paleo by 10x less %).

Edit: naturally after i posted this it decided to glitch out when it reached 50% and should have unlocked. I'm guessing Paleo will do the same to me when it gets to 10%
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By james bogart on 03 Apr 2022 08:59
Got this 8/3/23... The goal seems to be to survive endless for 20 days without killing animals. How I got it:
- Deleted game save to start with a fresh file
- Started a new endless game (nothing from a previous attempt in the dog)
- Used the endless torch exploit (explained below by ThePaleHorseman) and later on the bear freeze (on a stop with a bear, sleep somewhere and the bear will freeze in their den and you can pass through them to get their treasure trove... if they react to you when you get close go sleep again... an hour will do)
- I ate jerky I found and crafted
- I wore clothes made from rabbit, elder wolf, and boar that I also crafted (previous info I read said you could only use the insulated clothes)
- I used snakes and bears to kill animals but did not craft or deploy/use any traps
- I cooked meat but didn't eat it
- I only updated the raft rudder
- Achievement popped sometime during day 24

I hope this helps someone. This was my last one on this great game.
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By Mof3kah on 04 Aug 2023 22:36
FINALLY got this buggy achievement on 04/12/23.

Most important tip - Delete your save file, (including cloud save) and start a new game.

Apparently the achievement has been updated to only be 20 days not killing animals, but to be safe I did not eat any meat either. Animals killing other animals seems to be fine.

If you sleep past midnight into a new day, the counter shows that it has skipped a day, but will not count that day (i.e. if you sleep between day 1 and 2, the counter will skip to day 3, but you still need to complete 20 days total, so would then need to make it to day '21' now).

I am finally free of this game! Good luck! 😁
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By IsKaneAble on 05 Dec 2023 00:22
This unlocked for me at the start of day 20 on Endless mode. I ate only vegetarian items, including Dandelion and Sumac tea. I did not kill a single animal myself, I did use the torch glitch to move snakes around to have them kill boars and rabbits for me in order to craft pouches and warmer clothing. The achievement tracker showed 50% when it popped.
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By RagnarokSOTU on 27 Feb 2024 23:13
As IsKaneAble and Ragnarok said above I got my achievement by not killing animals and I didn't eat any meat either. I also noticed, as IsKaneAble said that if you sleep over the transition between days (midnight I guess) progress doesn't count. I ended up on 23 days as I had slept a few overnight without thinking.
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By demon jonzey on 23 Mar 2024 18:41
I know they patched something else a few months ago... i am hoping this is still the case. I've eaten jerky and the tracker is still going up, so that's good to know.

I don't know how it's possible to preload and then find enough plant food to make it through if they fix the achievement to the description. I'll let you know.
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By Sashamorning on 26 Jul 2018 07:28
Just some observations:

Off dock:
Tracker = 2.5%
Hunger = -50
Thirst = -66 (Likely -67 or 2/3)
Fatigue = -66 (Also likely -67 or 2/3)

Docked:
4 hours of sleep - Hunger -8, Thirst -10, Fatigue +50

20 more hours docked:
Tracker = 7% (Likely 7.5%) = Looks like it counted twice on the first day.
Hunger = Ate +15 to stave off starvation = 22
Thirst = Drank +50 to stave off dehydration = 24
Fatigue = After +50 sleep = 24

Total docked:
Tracker = 2.5%
Hunger = -43
Thirst = -50
Fatigue = -60
Also, the game stops you from sleeping past 100 fatigue.

I am finding that when I docked on day 2, I already had 2%, so the start of day 2 = 5%. It doesn't seem to change whether I'm docked or not.

Conclusions:
I have 40 Ash Cake, 10 Jerky, 5 water, and there's a jar you always get at the beginning. With just the filter and nothing else, that's 400 to thirst, and 1050 to hunger.
Unless I'm missing something, docking doesn't matter (anymore). So staying docked uses fewer resources.

I'm worried about cold, I don't want to venture down the river more than a few stops, I'm hoping that resting at shelter will stave that off. (Haven't checked the effect of shelter on cold.)
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By Sashamorning on 27 Jul 2018 00:34
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This isn't a guide, as the others here already do a well enough job on that, but an exploit I found by chance that helps a ton.

First, craft a torch. Now when you're on foot (not on the raft) use the left trigger and press right to see the quick use menu with the torch in it. Use the torch and you will see the circle above your head that gives you an idea of how much is left before the torch is used up.

With the torch equipped and burning, use the left trigger to bring up the menu again and highlight the torch, but don't press anything yet. Now when the circle empties the torch is extinguished and you lose it from your inventory. At least, that's what usually happens. However, at the moment the percentage on the torch reaches 0, shown by the circle being empty and even more helpful when you HEAR the sound of the torch going out, press A immediately to unequip it.

You should now be able to use the left trigger and once again look in your inventory and you should have the same torch at 0%. This torch will now last forever, no matter how long or how many times you use it. It won't appear lit but it will still have all the effects of a torch.

You're now free to explore any area without fear of attack from wolves or boars and can even use it to move snakes around to where you can use them to help you kill other animals for skins and meat.

Enjoy, and hopefully this helps someone as much as it did for me!
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19 Jun 2018 00:14

This achievement guide parallels my guide for Paleo Diet. I purchased the game after the update which somewhat "fixed" this achievement.

Without ever deleting my save game, I went through campaign and a 200 day endless mode run and unlocked all achievements except Paleo Diet and Vegetarian. After completing the 200 day run, I started a new endless mode run (without deleting my save file) focused solely on Paleo Diet and got it to unlock.

I then began another new endless mode run without deleting my save file to try for Vegetarian but my achievement progress remained at 0% so I realized that it was necessary to delete my save file under "manage game." Note that you must select delete file "from everywhere" or the local save will update from the cloud and the problem will persist. If you start a new endless mode run and are not seeing your achievement progress change, you did not properly delete "from everywhere."

Here is my guide and some notes regarding its completion.

First thing to note (as BRARROW does above), the achievement description is inaccurate - the achievement is really for going 20 days without killing animals. I believe this is actually much easier to achieve than 40 days without eating any meat.

It is also critical to understand that the game carries over all items placed in Aesop's bag to the start of a new game. (This is actually a setting activated by default in options menu.) Accordingly, if you are going for Vegetarian, you can do one or more short games just to load Aesop's bag with "food" and then intentionally die before beginning your serious attempt at Vegetarian. (This technique can also be used to load Aesop's bag with cooked meat, jerky, etc. when going for Paleo Diet.) I say "food" here and not "plant foods" because I am pretty sure you could load up with meat in prior runs and still get the achievement in a later "vegetarian" run. See my discussion below on this point.

Upon starting your serious attempt at Vegetarian, as long as you have enough food and water and you are not too cold or fatigued, you can get time to run faster by sitting extra minutes in calm water after departing a location before entering the river. This will reduce the distance you travel over the same period of days, which will delay your entrance to colder regions. You cannot kill animals for pelts, so it is very useful to slow your distance over the 20 days. (However, you could consider placing fur clothing, e.g. White Wolf Jacket, in Aesop's bag in the run before to have it available.) I got to 20 days relying only on insulated clothing (from cat tails) and campfires towards the end fend off hypothermia.

Since the real requirement is only not killing animals, you might wonder if it's ok to eat found meat, jerky or especially animals killed by other animals (such as rabbits killed by snakes or wolves and pigs killed by bears). I can absolutely confirm that eating jerky is ok. I collected some jerky from carts along the river and ate it and it did not cause the achievement to fail. I believe this means that it would also be ok to eat animals killed by other animals. I had collected meat from bear kills and cooked it. I had it ready to eat but I ended up getting the achievement before resorting to it so I can't be sure. I was certainly ok to collect it, cook it and carry it. In view of this, I believe the requirement is really limited to just not killing animals during the current run, so you can "eat" animals as long as they were killed in a previous run or killed by another. (It would be great if someone can confirm that eating cooked meat is also ok as I have only confirmed jerky is ok.)

The indicated progress for this achievement appears to correspond to a 40 day period. This means that your progress will rise gradually towards 50% as you get to 20 days. However, since the true requirement is only 20 days without killing an animal, the achievement will pop just a little after hitting 20 days (50%).

Hope this helps.
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18 Dec 2017 22:42

This is easier than you might expect. There are plenty of things to eat besides meat, including corn, yucca, dandelions, and cattails. Avoid eating any cooked meat, jerky, grubs, or worms. In fact, I avoided killing animals entirely, and discarded any meat item I picked up. Use the same skills you used in getting the “Animal Friend” achievement, and you shouldn’t have any problems. You can make this easier for yourself by starting the playthrough with Aesop equipped with a full suit of Bear Hide clothing or better, and a pouch.

Remember, in endless mode Permadeath is on, so don’t take any risks. If you are close to dying, or if your raft is close to sinking, quit to the main menu and hit “Continue” to resume to when the game last saved.

Note: This achievement unlocked early for me, around the 21st day. Also, this can not be unlocked during the same playthrough as the “Paleo Diet” achievement.

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After I did my 200 mile run and Paleo diet, progress for this achievement stopped tracking. I deleted the saves from my xbox and the cloud. I started a new endless campaign and managed to unlock the achievement soon after. So I can confirm that it does appear (like others have said) that it unlocks after 20 days without killing animals as I personally unlocked this achievement at the start of day 20. I did NOT eat any cooked meat or jerky though. 2 things I can confirm is that you can eat grubs (didn't eat any night crawlers) and that animals can kill other animals. I had a bear kill 3 wolves and a boar and still unlocked the achievement. There is so much conflicting statements about this achievement so I hope this helps a little. Also having a couple of campfires in your bag can come in really clutch, so always have at least one.
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30 Mar 2022 19:44

Just got this today. I can confirm that the achievement is going for 20 days without killing any animals. As long as you don't kill the animals you will be fine. If your percent is stuck at 0% you need to delete your cloud save by going to manage the game and clicking the saved data. Some additional tips for others:

Finding jerky or earning meat from missions is safe to consume.

Do not worry about being low on everything during times. The game has a weird difficulty set in where if you're low on resources more will spawn in. An example being low on space so a location will give you a pouch or being low on food and being hungry will usually spawn more corn, berries, etc. This is not always guaranteed though.

The percentage will increase by 2-3% every day until it reaches 50%. At 50% you will earn the achievement. If you don't and the percent went to 0% you must delete your save from the cloud and start over because you may have killed an animal.

Getting the storage upgrade is essential in the beginning for obvious reasons. One being you won't be making pouches so this is one of the first upgrades to get.

Starting from scratch with nothing in the dog's backpack is doable. Since you won't be killing animals for furs you will need to buy the stove upgrade for your raft in order to heat yourself up every once in a while.

If you're looting a place and a wolf/wolves chase you, try finding shelter and sleeping in. Doing this may displace the wolves away from you or have them fall asleep somewhere else on the map.

Loot the carts in the river portions. This is a given but finding jerky on them will give you half a day's portion at least. Try to stop everywhere. With a plant diet, you will need to gather a lot of food. Save the ash cakes for desperate days. Eat up the cooked Yucca, garlic, berries, and even cattails when you have a large amount. Do not forget that when it rains you can fill up cans of water for perfectly drinkable water. Have at least 10-15 cans of water. 5 for emergencies for when you're in the wastelands.

For clothing, the best you can do is insulate all your starting clothing and find a hat and gloves to insulate as well. If you get lucky by getting a leather kit and looting a wolf/boar killed by snakes/bears you can make a decent new clothing item. I never risked looting dead animals but I don't believe looting already killed animals voids the achievement.

This unlocked for me after the sun rose on the 24th day. Staying afloat and not docking will pass time faster. If you have the resources you can buy the shelter upgrade in order to pass time a little bit faster at the cost of using up more resources. Towards day 20 I had 10 Ash cakes and 10 water cans. I would sleep in as much as I can because I got impatient.
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14 Mar 2021 07:27

It's A Lot Of Prep Work But This Guide's Tips Will Get You "Vegetarian", "Invincible", "Paleo Diet", And "Under The Stars" In One Playthrough.

Prep Work
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Bring 50 Jerky And 5 Jars In Your Dog's Bag And Hang Around, Barely Going Downriver, For The First 20 Days. This Will Get You Vegetarian.
And Paleo Diet Will Be Easy To Get Afterwards If You Just Start Playing "Normally".

Don't Go Too Far Downriver, In Addition To The Dangers Of The World, The Game Gets Colder. If You Can't Keep Your Body Heat Up, You'll Need Clothes, And You Can't Kill Anything To Make Them For The First 20 Days.

You Lose 1000 Hunger In The First 20 Days, Afterwards Start Hunting Rabbits/Wolves/Etc.
- 10 Cooked Meat Should Get You Close To Paleo.

You Lose About 50 Hunger, ~65 Thirst, And ~65 Fatigue A Day. So Plan Accordingly

Pro Tips And Helpful Hints
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Catch Rain Water With Your Jar/Jars.

Wow, It's Not Listed In The Effects But Each Drink From a Jar Gives You 1 Hunger.
- So Standing In The Rain Constantly Spamming Drink/Refill Will Get You About 5-10 Hunger Back For Free Each Rain Storm.

Definitely Don't Sleep Through Day Changes. Even Sleeping Through One Daybreak Makes Your Playthrough An Entire Day Longer.
- However Sleeping 8-16 Hours A Day (Or More) Does Save You About 5 Hunger And Thirst. This Compounds Over The Course Of 20-40 Days To Save You A Few Jerky.

No Animals Can Die While You Play The FIrst 20 Days.
- Apparently The Game Saves When You Land On An Island, So If You Hear Something Kill Something Else (Like A Snake Killing A Boar) And Are Worried About It, Alt+F4. This "Should" Load You Back To When You Landed And You Can Just Leave To Go To Another Spot Before It Happens.
- Can't Confirm, I Didn't Have To Try This.


Let's Start The Playthrough
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Day 1
--First Lucky Camp--
- The Camp I Found Had 1 Old Lumber, 14 Cat Tails, And a Flint. I Made A Campfire At The Entrance, (Right As You Step Off The Dock) So When The Game Spawned Wolves I Didn't Have To Worry About Them.
- I Used The Rest Of The Cat Tails For Tinder To Relight The Fire After Each Rain. If The Campfire Sleeping Either Reset Or Got Rid Of The Wolves, I Ran To The House That Was There And Slept There To Pass Time And Save Tinder.
- If Sleeping At The House Spawned Wolves Again, I Ran To The Entrance Fire I Built, And Waited For Another Rain, Then Relit The Fire.

A Fishing Shack (Bait Shop) Is Your Best Friend Here, In Lieu Of A Great Cattail Start.
- Wolves Rarely Spawn At Them, Allowing You To Pass A Lot Of Time In Between Rains.

Spamming Jar "Use" And "Consume"
Rain Water Chugging - Really, Really Helped. I Was On Day 20 And I Had Only Used 27/50 Jerky.

Day 20
The Vegetarian Achievement Is Yours! If You Haven't Unlocked The "Invincible" Achievement Yet, It Unlocked At The Same Time. Even Though My Gauges Weren't All At 100%.


I Still Had 23 Jerky Left, So I Went For Paleo Diet. Still Haven't Left The First Camp I Stopped At.
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Day 23
Once I Started Traveling, I Started Looking For 2 Things; Cat Tails And Saplings.
- Once I Had Enough For Snares And Spike Traps, I Killed Some Stuff And Cooked The Meats.

Day 32, Traveled 7.1 Miles Total
Heading Downriver A Bit, Hunted 4 Rabbits, Spear Trapped Two Boars And A Wolf.
- Also Found A Bear Attacking 3 Wolves And Stole The Spoils Once The Bear Went Back To It's Cave.
- 15 Jerky Left, Still Chuggin Rainwater, Still Sleeping Through 2/3 Of Every Day At Fishing Shacks And Buses.

Day 40
Paleo Diet Achieved. And Can Confirm "Under The Stars" Is Linked To Paleo Diet, Got Both On Day 40, And I Definitely Slept In Shelters Multiple Times.


Good Luck!
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27 Oct 2023 00:00

Similar to the "Friend of Animals" trophy. The scheme is the same, only it is much more difficult to survive since the indicators decrease faster.
Before starting the walkthrough, it is best to inherit 10 hare skins using the saved dog inventory. Then at the beginning of the race you will have the maximum number of slots.
You can also take items of clothing to keep warm.
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01 Feb 2017 10:05

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You don't have to worry about clothing if the raft is equipped with a stove or protection.
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By thou_art_blind on 08 Oct 2019 00:05
You can eat meat, I personally saved up 20 pieces of dried meat, saved it to a flash drive and crashed it. And after 20 minutes he ate and slept
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16 Dec 2022 08:48