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Mightier than the Sword

Mightier than the Sword

Saved Edgewater permanently.

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How to unlock the Mightier than the Sword achievement in The Outer Worlds - Definitive Guide

Missable Achievement

This achievement requires that you make some specific choices during the game. It’s mutually exclusive of the achievement Ludwig was Right, however, it's possible to earn both achievements in the same playthrough with a well timed save.

For this achievement at the start of the game you need to choose to redirect power to Edgewater, then convince the deserters to return but not have Reed step down as leader.

Much later in the story Sophia Akande will ask you to send a tracking signal on Phineas' terminal as part of the quest Long Distance. I believe it does not matter whether you send a corrupted signal or not. I sent the corrupted signal. Afterwards, Sophia will ask you to meet with her. Before talking to her make a manual save.

Assuming you directed the power back to Edgewater and Reed was left in charge, you will be awarded the achievement after speaking with her.

Afterwards, reload your save and before talking with Sophia, travel to Edgewater and kill Reed. This will switch the outcome you get when talking to Sophia allowing you to unlock the other achievement once you complete the quest she gives you.

The Outer WorldsSecret AchievementThe Secret Achievement achievement in The Outer Worlds worth 66 pointsContinue playing to unlock this secret achievement
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27 Oct 2019 12:15

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Fir3shad0w is indeed right. Worked just fine to get both after you go to Geothermal, then kill all the robots in Edgewater.
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By DcupsOfJustice on 06 Nov 2019 23:57
can we get a link to his full guide
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By Saint Xaphan on 28 Oct 2019 08:33
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By British Legends on 28 Oct 2019 09:04
You don't need to turn in Phineas directly, you can send the corrupt transmission instead. She'll still thank you for saving the settlement and the achievement will pop at the same place.
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By Sashamorning on 28 Oct 2019 09:10
Updated solution.
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By British Legends on 28 Oct 2019 09:16
To get the deserter to return, you need to complete 2 sidequests, one is to find Zoe and convince her to return and you need to find 3 engineering books for one of the npc. I couldn't get the deserter to come back without completing those. Don't remember the name of the quest givers but they are easy to find. There might be other ways to convince them as this game offer many options but this is how i got them back to Edgewater.
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By GrumpyYogi1968 on 28 Oct 2019 09:56
I can confirm this can actually be set up alongside "Ludwig was Right" in the same playthrough. Go through the steps for this achievement, and once you've sent the signal (corrupted or not), save the game. Talking to Sophia will earn you this achievement (as long as the deserters returned and Reed is still in charge), then re-load the immediate save, go to Edgewater, and kill Reed. Head back to Sophia, and she'll give you the "Foundation" quest, which will earn you the other achievement.
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By Fir7shadow on 03 Nov 2019 23:55
when is this supposed to pop? I've done all the above, but met with Sophia and she now has me taking over the broadcast station at devil peak. that's not mentioned above, so suspect I've buggered some thing up? I did the radio broadcast before stopping the signals, not sure if that makes a difference?
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By PinkEyeWiseGuy on 04 Nov 2019 16:59
PinkEyeWiseGuy

Do the devils peak quest. If you have 60 persuade you can get the Broker to work for Sophia. Then youll get the achievement for going back and talking to her. They left that part out
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By SonnieSlim on 04 Nov 2019 21:37
I can confirm fir3shad0w’s solution does in fac5 work for both achievements. That’s all
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By TheLightMaster on 16 Nov 2019 00:47
I tried fir3shad0w's solution but I didn't get the Foundation quest. There must be some other trigger that I missed.
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By rocket951 on 16 Nov 2019 02:06
I definitely had Reed step down, and I was still able to unlock this achievement, so that is not a prerequisite.
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By Lord Elohim on 23 Nov 2019 04:32
I can’t figure why this isn’t popping for me. I’ve been following powerpyx missables guide and have done everything, yet edgewater is fkd apparently when I talk to her. All my stats are 100% positive. The quest system is so damn messy. I can’t figure where if at all I messed up some how. 🤬 I have a crazy amount of saves, so If anyone has any suggestions I’d really appreciate it.
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By zDrUnKeNMoNkEyz on 26 Nov 2019 09:28
Lord Elohim hasn't unlocked this so ignore their comment about Reed stepping down not being a prerequisite.
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By Asaemon on 29 Nov 2019 05:05
Oh yeah, good spot. Shame I can’t remove stupid comments.
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By British Legends on 29 Nov 2019 07:19
So if I redirected power to the deserters instead of Edgewater, is this achievement not achievable?
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By Ninjaneer360 on 29 Nov 2019 18:26
As far as we know you need to divert power to Edgewater and keep Reed as their leader.
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By Asaemon on 30 Nov 2019 00:01
I was screwed over by the powerpyx missable guide because they didn't say to keep Reed as leader. I left feedback about it and they've since amended it but argh, gotta do all that again. cry
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By Lockie on 01 Dec 2019 09:31
I only did the Zoe quest, not the engineering manual one and did the save trick and boom, both achievements.

thanks for the guide.
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By br34thedyn4m1te on 12 Dec 2019 16:09
I diverted power to Edgewater, as the guide says. But I only had to get ONE engineering book to convince the deserters to return. The 3rd one is inside the Geothermal plant, so it's a real easy grab when you go to divert power. Turned it in, and then I told Thomas to become an engineer (not sure if that made any difference).

Told him to leave without Adelaide, and he convinced Grace to go, and it updated the quest.
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By NicoleRenee00 on 21 Jan 2020 15:41
As stated above by Fir7shadow, the statement in the original solution that you can't do this and "Ludwig was Right" in the same playthrough is absolutely incorrect. The walkthrough here on TA details the approach that will let you get both with a save before going to talk to Sophia. Basically, you go and kill Reed before talking to her to get "Ludwig was Right", and then reload and go straight to Sophia to get this one. Very easy to do as long as you get all the prerequisites as stated in the walkthrough.
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By JKSullivan on 24 Aug 2020 13:40
Skipping monarch didn’t work. I followed that exactly but the achievement didn’t pop even though she talked about Edgewater
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By AvocadoFire on 02 Nov 2020 21:26
The guide says to have Reed as the leader roll
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By British Legends on 12 Nov 2019 23:09
Fir3Shad0w's trick worked for me, I saved before I talked to Sophia at the end of the "Signal Point in Space" quest and I had Reed still running edgewater with the deserters having returned, I was able to do both achievements as described.
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By AstrArcturus on 17 Nov 2019 11:30
I'm a bit late to the game but you can skip going to Monarch completely if you get Percival to "open" the door to The Chairman's office for you.

Jump on his desk, crouch, start to pickpocket him until he starts to chase you, run to the door on the left (not Akande's) and he'll open the door when he gets near it.

Pass the speech check with him, watch the movie on the terminal, speak to Akande, achievement should pop afterwards.
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By AlphaC3ntari on 21 Sep 2020 21:55
To get the deserter to return, you need to complete 2 sidequests, one is to find Zoe and convince her to return and you need to find 3 engineering books for one of the npc. I couldn't get the deserter to come back without completing those. Don't remember the name of the quest givers but they are easy to find. There might be other ways to convince them as this game offer many options but this is how i got them back to Edgewater.
Posted by GrumpyYogi1968 on 28 Oct at 02:56
Just a quick note on this comment above. I'm in the process of doing a 'speedy' run-through on SuperNova, and I was able to get the Deserters to go back to Edgewater with just 2 of the guy's Engineering books. I happen to come across books 2 & 3 early on (this is my 4th play-through), and never completed the Zoe quest (but I DID initiate it). And they all went anyways.

The 2 quests remain open, with both NPCs saying if we find Zoe to let her know, and the guy saying if we find the last book to let him know. Either way, this comment needs to be corrected. I only had 2 of the guy's books, and they all went back anyways.

NOTE: I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see this win GotY at the Game Awards next Thursday. It would be poetic Justice against Bethesda(!). This is one of the best games in years. I hope they start bringing us DLCs (the worlds and empty world spaces are already there) and start an OW2! clapdanceheadspintoast
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By x neotar x on 08 Dec 2019 02:45
I had Reed step down and despite what Lord Elohim said, I'm 99.89% sure you cannot get this achievement, perhaps he is confused and is thinking of the opposite achievement.

No matter what I did Sofia kept telling me to destroy Edgewater, you can get that achievement even before doing the signal quest, so long as you speak to her again right after she tells you to go to devils peak, she will then tell you to destroy Edgewater and give you foundations.. However, no matter what, no matter the order of completion, she will not "magically" pop the other achievement. I told her to go to hell, and then she attacked me and I quickly ran out of the room avoiding killing her hoping that somewhere down the line, this would save Edgewater.. While it's "saved", you don't earn the achievement, not even during end credit.

However, I would leave a save at that spot indefinitely. There are parts of the convo during accepting foundations that makes me think there is a missing option for saving Edgewater after accepting foundations.. "trust me pavarti" seems to indicate a Sophia backstab.
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By elquietone on 30 Nov 2019 16:29
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For anyone looking to get this achievement as fast as possible here is my speed run of doing the achievement in about 1hr20min:
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I don't understand the down vote. This is a very streamlined way to get the achievement especially if you need to knock out the tossball kills.
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By Allgorhythm on 29 Apr 2020 00:46
The achievement unlocks after completing Signal Point in Space and returning to Sophia who congratulates you on helping the town of Edgewater. She will only congratulate you if, during the main story mission, Comes Now the Power, you:
  1. Sided with Spacer’s Choice and diverted power to Edgewater
  2. Persuaded the deserters to return
  3. Allowed Reed to remain in charge
If you diverted power to The Biolab and/or placed Adelaide in charge, you will need a separate playthrough to unlock this achievement.

This achievement is on the Halcyon Path where you notify the board you know the whereabouts of Phineas. Progressing through the story, sending a tracking signal or a corrupted tracking signal from Phineas’s Lab during the main story mission, Long Distance, automatically initiates Signal Point in Space. Upon its completion, return to Akande. Provided your playthrough complied with the above three preconditions, the Board will view Edgewater to be productive, and the achievement will pop.

If the Board considers Edgewater unproductive, Sophia will give you the main story quest, Foundation. During that quest, you unlock the following achievement, mutually exclusive to this one:
The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice EditionSecret AchievementThe Secret Achievement achievement in The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition worth 35 pointsContinue playing to unlock this secret achievement

If you satisfy the prerequisites for this achievement, it is possible to unlock this and its mutually exclusive counterpart during the same playthrough using save manipulation. After completing Signal Point in Space and BEFORE talking to Sophia, make a hard save. Travel to Edgewater and kill Reed. Go to Sophia who will give you the main story quest, Foundation. Play through it and unlock Ludwig was Right. The following guide provides a detailed solution: Solution for Ludwig was Right In The Outer Worlds

Once you unlock Ludwig was Right, load the manual save and unlock this achievement. The game’s endings are heavily influenced by the events in Edgewater. If you are working towards the “good” ending, you will want to unlock Ludwig was Right before Mightier than the Sword so that Edgewater survives in your official save file. Conversely, if you are working for the bad ending, you will want to pop Mightier than the Sword before Ludwig was Right to ensure your official save file incorporates the destruction of Edgewater.
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During the "comes the power" quest on Edgewater, direct all power there and take the Botanical Gardens power cell.

Then you need to convince the workers to return by completing either "The Frightened Engineer" or "A few kindred spirits", once you've got them to return, head back to talk to Reed. Leave him in power and continue on your way.

Tell Udom that you want to turn in Phineas on Groundbreaker, then follow "The distress call" and get all three pieces of research (one won't be able to be gained if you have 'below average intelligence'). Return to her and buy Udom's seal back, return it to Udom and then head to Byzantium to meet Sophia.

Work with her and go to Monarch. Shut down the radio signals in "Radio Free Monarch", DO NOT return to Phineas before this trophy unlocks, otherwise it voids it. Follow the Sophia's instructions until she talks to you about Edgewater and how you saved the town.

Trophy pops.
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You may want to add about going to Gladys after talking to Upon and accepting to do a job for her to get Udom's seal back to start "The Distress Signal" mission.
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By Norpothos on 03 Dec 2020 14:17
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*MISSABLE*

This achievement and "Ludwig Was Right" are opposing, and are the cause of the two playthroughs. There are a number of factors that go in to saving/destroying Edgewater, and the first takes place during the first main story quest, just an hour or two into the game, while the achievements unlock well toward the end, nearly 20 hours later.

As I mentioned above, this quest has a number of steps. The first takes place during the Now Comes the Power main story quest. You will want to send the power to Edgewater, do both side-quests for the Deserters to convince them to return to Edgewater (though Adelaide will refuse), and allow Reed to remain in charge.

Later, when working with Sophia during The Demolished Woman, you will want to either turn Phineas in for real, or send the corrupted signal from his ship to convince Sophia you did. The next step will be Signal Point in Space, which requires you to solve the MSI/Iconclast conflict (doesn't matter how you do this), and when you return to Sophia to turn in this quest, the achievement will unlock.
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Trophy is not compatible with " Ludwig was right "
I did it in a new game on easy difficulty, I’ll mark the key points with “!” the rest may vary depending on the choice in the passage. Leveling up required persuasion and lockpicking; the only talents I took were running speed; basically I ran through everything and knocked down enemies. It took about 70 minutes.
! „ Stranger in a strange land ” redirect power from bio. labs on Edgewater.
! " Now comes the power " to convince Thomas and Grace to return to Edgewater. We leave Reed in charge.
We fly to the pioneer, talk to Udom Bedford, hand over Wells to him. He asks us to return the seal, it is with Gladys (he breaks into the safe and convinces us to leave the dialogue about the theft). We turn in the quest and get Sofia’s contact.
Sofia gives the quest “ Woman Without a Face ”; completing it gives you the achievement Cartographer.
We fly to the monarch, you can take armor and weapons from the machine guns. Runs through all enemies to Steller Bay.
In the city we kill Sanjar Nandi and run away to the iconoclasts, where we kill Graham Brian.
!Completing the “ signal point in space ”
!During the quest “ far distances ” we get the achievement
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Before completing the quest 'signal point in space', save. After passing and receiving this trophy, we load up and fly to Edgewater, where we kill Reed and a couple of other people. The main thing is not everyone..
We fly back to Sofia and receive the quest to destroy Edgewater for the 'Ludwig was right' trophy.
Where to transport the energy does not matter.
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By BG16317 on 18 Nov 2019 18:51
I don’t know why it is not indicated anywhere, but the most important condition is that after the distribution of energy in Edgewater, it is necessary to put Reed in charge
At the end of the quest chain for the college, Sofia will praise you that your productivity has increased so much and this trophy will drop in the dialogue with her.
Unfortunately, I chose a deserter as head; unfortunately, I was not given praise for such an adventure.
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By Pontius91 on 19 Jan 2022 23:46
This trophy and Ludwig was right can be obtained without any problems in one playthrough via save/load. More details:
- redirecting electricity to Edgewater
- we return Thomas and Grace to the city, leaving Reed in charge
- we are making a line of quests for Sofia (surrender Phineas, shoot the cartographer, send a signal from Phineas’ terminal, cover the broadcast on Monarch)
- before completing the last quest Signal Point in Space, we save it in a separate slot.
- after passing the Signal Point in Space we get the Stronger than the Sword trophy.
- load up, fly to Edgewater, kill Reed (I cleared the entire city just in case)
- again we fly to Sofia, hand over the Signal Point in Space , she will give out the quest Foundation (set the robots on Edgewater, and then kill them)
- after killing the last robot we get the trophy Ludwig was right .
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By imnkc on 06 Nov 2019 16:09
This trophy is in the branch for the ending with the College. Electricity to Edgewater, leaving Reed in charge. In order for people to return to the city, you need to complete a quest to find the girl and find three volumes for the engineer.
Next, we go on the pioneer to the College embassy and there we select the item that we want to hand over our scientist. The seal can be stolen from the safe next to Grace, just move away from everyone, and when you crack it, immediately click on the square to have time to steal the seal before the conversation with you begins.
After which the quests for the College begin. Upon completion of part of which we find ourselves on Monarch.
If you speedrun the game a second time for this trophy, then on the way to the broker, in Stellar Bay, kill the main one; a man and a woman from the Iconoclasts too, this will immediately stop the broadcasts. When you return to the lady from the College, the quest will be accepted.
You will receive The Cartographer trophy along the way.
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By FunTox on 12 Nov 2019 10:27
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