Windjammers 2

Windjammers 2

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Stronger Than The Machine

Stronger Than The Machine

Complete the Arcade mode with the highest difficulty.

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How to unlock the Stronger Than The Machine achievement in Windjammers 2 - Definitive Guide

Hi everyone

This guide is based on my experience and, I will try to help you to develop a strategy in order to defeat the game on medium & hard..

To be successful you need to play (if possible) at advantageous conditions like for example: play in a regular field against a Powerful and slower opponent like K.Wessel using yourself a Speedster like H.Mita..

Reading this you might be concerned already about the game and its mechanics so the characters and fields traits. Although let's take again a look..

There are basically three player categories:

1. Speedsters: J.Raposa, H.Mita, S.Miller & S.Delys
2. Balanced: L. Biaggi, J. Costa & S.Ho
3. Heavyweight/Powerful: G.Scott, K.Wessel & H.Max

There are also three kinds of fields:

Narrow: Beach & Tiled
Regular: Clay, Lawn, Stadium, Rooftop & Casino
Wide: Arena, Junkyard & Ring

Additionally there will be springs/obstacles on Clay, Junkyard and Rooftop.

Shots

Straight shot, curve shot, lob shot, drop shot, slap shot, smash,super custom, super lob, super roll smash, super spin & power shot.

I found the most effective are straight shot on regular fields, curve shot in general (practise it!), Super lob against G. scott, super spin in general and Max, Biaggi and Miller's super Customs.

Curve shots from Miller, Wessel & Max looks like are more effective than with other players.

General Strategy

I advise you to use Powerful characters over Speedsters & Balanced Characters and, to play (if possible) in Regular fields without obstacles.
Obstacles may often make the frisbee course unpredictable.

About Fields

I found impossible to beat the AI at Junkyard... Normally if you reach the 2nd/3rd round you will have to choose between Clay or Junkyard. I suggest to choose Clay always.

I found almost impossible to succeed in Rooftop & Ring at Round 4 so I strongly advise you to choose ALWAYS Casino over the other two options when it appears.

About playing against AI

I would avoid (when possible) to play against strong characters like Wessel, Scott or Max. You have higher chances against speedsters & balanced (Except Ho..)

Strategy before the match

Choose Regular Fields instead of narrow or wide.

Try to choose a field without obstacles. If you have to with, choose always Clay.
Play with a Powerful character against a speedster.

Field Selection is for me, the key to success. Ideal conditions are regular with no obstacles.

So in a general sense:

Powerful>Balanced>Speedster
Regular>Narrow&wide
Without obstacles> With obstacles

Example on Round 1:

- You've chosen Max.
- You can choose Lys on Lawn or Costa in Tiled.

Chose Lys on Lawn because: Lawn regular, Lys speedster.

In my experience power beats speed in this game and also, you have more chances in Regular fields because you can get there straight & lob shots where in narrow & wide fields is quite difficult..

Successful run

I beat the game with Max against the following opponents:

Round 1: 2-1 vs Lys on Lawn
Round 2: 2-0 vs Costa on Tiled
Round 3: 3-2 vs Raposa on Clay
Round 4: 2-1 vs Biaggi on Casino
Round 5: 2-0 Against Mita on Arena

I found the third round the most difficult by far. The moment you reach third round quite often that's a signal you will finish succeding.

Difficulty might be something like: 6, 6/7, 8, 7, 7/8

Strategy playing

- On regular fields you may get straight shots against Powerful & Balanced not probably against speedsters.

- I wouldn't use very much super lob shots in hard, normally rivals will catch it and send it back. You may score but has to be when your rival is close to the net or halfway to baseline.

- Super Spin shot might work often when attacking or counter attacking.

- Some Supers & Power shots are better to fill in like those from Max, Ho or Miller.

- Improve your curve shot you might get some key points on hard with it. Practise it.

- Improve your defense, learn how to not commit unforced errors. Learn the supers of your rivals.

- Use lob shot to send back your rival to the baseline. Lob shot is VERY important on defense and to keep control of the round. If you have advantage waste time with lob shots!

- I don't suggest to use smashes since above AI lev.6 difficulty they will catch 99% of the time.

- Don't quit, play, play and play. Develop your reflexes and dash movement.

Now I'm posting some videos from my successful run..

Round 2 Set 1: Max vs Costa on Tiled

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/4R4R9SEP

Basically I tried to lure him to the corner and connect a straight or super spin shot to beat him.

Round 3: Max vs Raposa on Clay

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/8WPEU3CP

Most difficult match he punished me often with curve shots. I tried my best here with super spins & super customs. I tried some power shots as well. On the suddendeath I performed a power shot close to the net to ensure it would push him backwards in the case he caught it.

Round 4: Max vs Biaggi on Casino

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/ETY28MVN

Here I keep myself on defence and trying sometimes with straight shots. I succeeded with some super customs, a power shot and without doing much unforced errors on defense.
I kept my energy waiting for the 8-point frisbee and perform a clutch power shot. That's one of the reasons also to play at Casino. Play smart!

Final Round: Max vs Mita on Arena

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/H69TUDNL

I did a good use of straight & Curve shots. I won but because I had perfect counter attacking game. Wasn't a difficult match at all. Note how in the 2nd set I use lob shot sometimes to waste time!

That's it! Hope these set of strategies/advises can help you out. Play smart, with strategy, choose wisely fields and rivals. Play, play and play!

All the best,

Peke.
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10 Feb 2022 15:24

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Thank you for tour tip!!! Finally I did it, few considerations.
Use Hmax he Is very strong.
DONT choose Mita in 4th or final stage, Just DONT, She Is unbeatable She destroyed With a double 16-0 in my previous run.
Here are my score and court choose:
Round 1 Hmax-Costa 11-8 11-10. Tiled
Round 2 Hmax- Ho 11-11 15-6. Clay
Round 3 Hmax-Biaggi 15-3 10-8. Ring
Round 4 Hmax-Mita. 9-12. 5-14. Lawn. ***
Round 4 Hmax- Wessel 15-1. 11-13. 13-2. Casino
Round 5 Hmax-Scott. 17-12. 9-16. 11-8. Arena?
Thank for " if you arrive consistently at stage 3 you Will succede" it very motivated me !!!
Definatelly stage 3 Its the hardest.
Good luck guys!!
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By Xeroxcoco on 12 Feb 2022 11:30
Congrats man! Glad you made it :)
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By pequenyo Miss on 12 Feb 2022 12:26
How long did it take to complete this game? (including the many frustrating attempts to complete this one achievement)
How long is one Arcade run? It seems like maybe only 20-30 minutes gaging it by watching your clips.
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By ICE Faux Pirate on 04 Mar 2022 14:39
ngl, that was hard. Had Wessel in the final. What a nightmare, it was almost impossible to score...
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By DGA Gigi on 05 Mar 2022 01:13
Hey Ice! Cannot tell ya how long might take you since you'll need both skill and luck.. Yes Arcade mode is around 30 min.
Gigi congrats on beating Wessel on the Final 👍
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By pequenyo Miss on 05 Mar 2022 11:21
This was rage inducingly solid - I lost in the final every time in the stadium without winning a set and barely scoring but I eventually faced Biaggi in the final in the Arena and won
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By Bishop Brenan on 15 Apr 2022 22:09
Perhaps the most frustrating achievement unlocked for me and maybe one of the hardest (no problem with all Dark Souls and Cuphead achievements for me, you can check my profile...) Unfair and disgusting. My advice: practice, practice, practice and after occasionally winning the third round (almost impossible for me) because you master all the mechanics and you reflexes are on fire, start praying for a good amount of luck. You need to have a good court/player combination. In my case, winning the final against a powerful opponent was impossible and barely winning the third round on a court other than Rooftop... Think twice if you're a completionist and you don't want to kill yourself with this achievement. Good luck! But rememeber: If I could do it, you can too!
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By ivansuperpower on 19 Jul 2022 16:08
Me alegro por tu exito Ivan :) Se agradece un voto positivo. Discrepo con Rooftop. Clay es la mejor opcion en la tercera ronda asi como Casino en la cuarta. Un saludo
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By pequenyo Miss on 20 Jul 2022 10:29
So annoying. I can win the first two matches cleanly, then go 1 up in the third, before the opponent suddenly becomes god and just sweeps roll

Thanks for the tips, I've gotten close once, should be able to push that last bit.
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By xPut Name Herex on 06 Jan 2023 19:00
As always, the solution was simple: complain in the comments, and therefore you'll get it next try laugh
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By xPut Name Herex on 06 Jan 2023 20:30
Third match is the most difficult by far.. be patient and you'll beat the game sooner or later. Good luck mate 🤙
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By pequenyo Miss on 06 Jan 2023 22:32
I like your strategy tannhauser, the only problem is I can’t counter customs to save my life, let alone launch a curve shot quickly in response. I tried using discman but gonna try with max instead
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By el teby on 12 Jan 2023 01:00
I finally got it with H.Max! Playing with the digipad made aiming a little bit easier and if you have more points then the enemy make sure you play as slow as possible. I always waited for 2 seconds when i had the disc and then used the lob to slow it down. I also used superlobs in the final against Biaggi when i had more points then him. i also used the charged spinshot mostly all of the time to score goals in the later rounds. This is purely luckbased as the Ai on hard difficulty is practically cheating. One of the hardest achievements i ever got. Now only the dog disc one left and i have the completion.
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By FreezingCookies on 28 Dec 2022 19:48
Commenting here just to mention that I eventually found a fairly consistent strategy. I used Discman for his balance of mobility and toss speed. I found that playing very defensively, relying on lob shots - waiting a short while after making a catch before pressing B performs a lob shot into the front half of the opponent's court - allowed me to bait the opponent's super custom move. I was able to punish by performing a super custom move reversal by quickly launching a curve shot after intercepting the opponent's super custom move maybe eight out of ten times, scoring much more consistently than I had by launching my own shots against the AI defense on Hard mode.
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By tannhauser on 08 Jan 2023 08:31
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I think i got a really good tip for everyone who is struggling to Complete the Arcade Mode on Hard difficulty.
And its really simple.Just abuse the Pause Option the whole time but be careful no to quit by accident.When your opponent attacks you can easily predict where the disc is going to land.Try to get used to abuse this trick the right way and after a few attempts u will get it.Try to learn the special attacks from all characters and how to counter them.You can move to the ideal position while spamming the pause button with cn_start Its still hard even with this but it makes the whole thing a lot easier.Good Luck !

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I would like to add the comment from Moat Carp, thank you!


Taking this from a Windjammers fan site:

-Don't rely on slides so much
-Reposition yourself to the center of the court after each shot
-Avoid sliding diagonally, work on vertical movement
-Stay in front of the safety line when trying to intercept super moves. If too far back, you might get slammed into the net
-The first two matches are around level 6, next two are around 7, and the final is around 8
-For higher level games, the guide recommends trying to land smashes. When your opponent is around 7 or 8, they will receive almost all of their shots. Your objective should be to put as many points on the board while limiting the number of points scored on you.

In general, the better you are at defending, the more likely you are to succeed.

For early rounds, I found a lot of success using straight shots in corners - especially when the opponent is on the opposite side. Super spin shots also worked well for me.
Posted by Moat Carp yesterday at 18:43
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24 Jan 2022 01:50

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Thanks @Seriuoz for the pausing trick. I recommend rebinding the key to something easily accessible/spammable using the Xbox Controller App.
Even if you don't spam pause you can use it tactically to predict the direction of AI's super. Otherwise supers that hug the walls (Miller) launched from close to mid range force slower characters to make a 50/50 guess.

Stalling tip by @Laser Rock Show is also very good. Bang your slow auto-return shot off the wall at max angle to burn even more clock.

Lob is a good defensive shot. I aimed with the D-pad to send it into the opponent's corners reliably. Thumbstick aiming was less reliable.
+1
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By Healtti on 28 Nov 2022 18:24
"be careful no to quit by accident" It happened to me too. laugh
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By Moe GZ on 29 Jan 2022 17:44
Is there a character who make it easier? My best result so far in hard mode is 2 wins, this is incredibly hard. Even with the pause trick, the game goes so fast.
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By Moe GZ on 03 Feb 2022 00:09
Its very hard especially in Arena that have "bumper'"
My Pb for now Is stage 3 and In using Miller.
Fast players like Raposa and Mita they catch everything.
In not using pause glitch tbh because Its not very useful imho, but maybe Its Just me.
Good luck
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By Xeroxcoco on 03 Feb 2022 09:36
I'm not using the "pause trick", just using K.Wessel, and reach the final round very often. But I fail every time on the final set.
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By Efferalgan on 03 Feb 2022 10:44
That was a pain in the ass. I didn't use the pause trick, and tried K.Wessel after I read Efferalgan used him... and after a few tries, I won (without even using my credit on the boss haha)
Good luck everyone!
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By maxbybakablack on 03 Feb 2022 18:05
I tried with K.Wessel, it was good until the 3rd round, then the difficulty is skyrocketing. Whatever character I use, it's still too hard.
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By Moe GZ on 04 Feb 2022 13:03
So only 15 out of 7,804 players got this achievement. In my opinion the opponents are too overpowered in this mode, they catch everything.

I used H. Max after I saw a French journalist saying that he was overpowered, I got my best result so far: level 4. But I have never been able to got so far again. I often lose points at the beginning of a game, I can defend but never regain my lost points. I should try the pause trick and never underestimate the opponents. Even 1/10 of a second is enough to lose 5 points in one shot.
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By Moe GZ on 06 Feb 2022 22:40
yesterday i was short to successe, winning the first set in final but then no chance agains miller. one tip i can give is to play on time while leading, running the clock down by waiting and auto-shoot (dont use any button) every time you are in front and only catch the disc. in generell this chivo is really hard and you need a lot of luck and the right opponent on the right stage.
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By Laser Rock Show on 12 Feb 2022 10:16
The round with the barrier seems almost impossible. i tried it with S.Ho, J.Costa,Miller,H.Mita and J.Raposa with no luck. Just got to round 4 one time. im gonna try it with K.Wessel today and hope i have better luck with him. if not im gonna take a break from the arcade mode because this is too frustrating and i dont want to buy a new monitor and controller lol. The online matchmaking is a cakewalk compared to this. I still love the game tho. One of the best gamepass additions imo
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By FreezingCookies on 04 Feb 2022 14:52
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Finally got this from around 50ish try.

Just here to say that this certainly doable without the pausing trick. Personally I thought it was quite cumbersome for me because it takes me off the rhythm, and I accidentally pressed quit a buncha times doing it so it wasn't for me.

I used H max on my win.
Important to note that I also got so close (Final set on Final Round) with S.Ho and Miller.

My tips are:
-At the very start of the game, try to collect as much points as possible in order to collect more credits
-I find that in order to score on an opponent the best is by good timing. When you toss a disc, try to hit the exact moment the disc lands on your character when fully charged. then use the Super Spin Move.
-Speaking of Super Spin Move this was the ace. sometimes the opponent will catch this but if youre in a good position and you got proper timing, this will give you most of the points in the later rounds.
-Super Lobs are less reliable in later rounds , but its good in making you're opponent go to the other side of the stadium.
-Don't try to use fast shots against them, delay if you can. if you use Straight shots that are fast and the opponent is close, they will counter you with a SlapShot or they would catch and quickly Curve shot on the other side of the stadium
-Finally the most important , is prioritizing DEFENSE. I can't stress this enough, this is probably much more important that trying to score. if the opponent is ahead, don't try to rush by finding an opening. just receive all of the discs the opponent throws at you. then either HIT IT ON THE WALL , or better try to GET A TOSS in. so you can do a super spin move. Focus on your side of the Stadium more than the opponents.

Just practice practice practice, there is luck involved with the Stages and the swingy nature of the rallies on Stages that has Moving rails at the middle.
just keep at it. it took me around 50 ish tries so expect that amount of repetitions.
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04 Jan 2023 06:14