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Children of Sissna

Children of Sissna

Defeat Sissna in the Children of Sissna mode.

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How to unlock the Children of Sissna achievement in Ashen - Definitive Guide

Children of Sissna mode is an option from the main menu that is unlocked after defeating the third boss, Amiren and learning Shadow Walk from Silaren.
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This game mode, which is played on a separate save file, is the same as standard mode except your health and stamina are greatly reduced compared to what you'd have normally. This makes things fairly difficult since enemies will kill you very quickly, particularly in the later stages of the game. Your AI companion is weaker than he was in standard mode, too, and dies a lot more as a result.

In my standard playthrough, I ended up having 392 health and 260 stamina. In CoS mode I ended with 141 health and 128 stamina- that's a little more than 1/3 total health and about 1/2 total stamina. I completed all journeys so outside of maybe some more health/stamina from missed Ashen Feathers, this is what you have to work with.

I played through most of the game on CoS mode myself and it was a slow going, tedious, and extremely frustrating experience. The final two bosses are an absolute nightmare and I'm not convinced that the 2nd form of the final boss is even possible to defeat by yourself (with an AI partner) in this mode. The saving grace is that you can engage in co-op with real players who are in standard mode and let them tank for you, but this only makes things somewhat easier.

Based on timestamps for some of the other winners, it appears that some people completed the game on CoS mode as their first completion, which was almost certainly done by co-oping with a friend on their standard playthrough. Again, this doesn't by any means make things easy, just less insanely difficult.

If someone does earn this achievement with strictly AI partners, I'll be impressed and shocked. Even with a standard mode partner you have to contribute enough that you constantly put yourself in situations where you can be killed in the blink of an eye, and because of the 'one revive, then dead' system, it's terribly unforgiving and borderline unfair.

I ended up using the Cleaving Axe for my entire playthrough. There were times when I actively farmed scoria to upgrade it and improve my damage output. I tried a one hand weapon with a shield and didn't like how it felt, but feel free to experiment and see what works best for you.

For talismans, I used Robust, Swift, Greater Vigor (swapped to Double Swig for final boss), and Steadfast. Greater Vigor only gave 8 additional health but every little bit helped. I used the Gefn's Blessing relic which builds up damage resistance over time and can mitigate any single attack once fully charged.

Because of armor stamina penalties, I used Defiler Veil over higher defense options. I swapped to Celestial Aegis for the final boss.

Remember that because your overall health is so low, White Sapiotes are a great healing option. Keep stocked up on them for when you need to heal less than a full gourd swig or if you run out of swigs altogether.

Since I ended the game with 141 health (149 with Greater Vigor) and 128 stamina, I didn't need to upgrade my gourd potency beyond 162.

I played through the game by myself up until the Seat of the Matriarch, where I had a friend on standard mode to co-op with. We made it through the dungeon without much issue but Amiren took us a few attempts. I then had to go it solo until the Palace of Lathyrus, which is where the difficulty really ramped up. After a few hours of unsuccessful solo attempts through the palace, I managed to hook up with a random player and we made it through to the Ritual Stone at the end. I immediately messaged him and we coordinated co-op for the Shadow of Ashen.

I tried to focus mainly on adds and let my partner try to keep the boss' aggro. Adds can get overwhelming at the end and I couldn't possibly go face with the boss without dying very quickly. This only took a handful of tries before we got it done.

Our strategy for the 2nd phase of the final boss was for me to keep a distance to avoid being one-shotted and throw Shield Maiden's spears to chip away while my friend tried to keep Sissna's focus. There's really no way to go toe to toe with her without getting decimated instantly. With him tanking, it wasn't that bad.

I expected this to be something like a lvl 1 playthrough of Dark Souls, which I've done multiple times with little issue. This was so much harder. You just die so quickly.

If you want to unlock this achievement, plan on finding a friend in standard mode to co-op with and even then, it's rough. Good luck.
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13 Dec 2018 13:43

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Just one more thing. I'm not a great souls player, just alright, but I didn't think this was that hard. A level 1 Dark Souls run would be much harder for me. In souls, the enemies use a lot more varied attack patterns, in this one the basic enemies use only 1 or 2 moves. Usually rolling behind them or to the side always worked fine and I mostly avoided the damage. In this game only 1 out of 5 bosses is truly difficult. I didn't even die to Shadow of the Ashen once. Yes, the last boss is almost impossible without spears in this mode, but they just made it cheap like that. I never went through the 3rd boss dungeon, as the skip route is available for now, but if they patch that, yes, it can be quite difficult then.

I usually just ran past the enemies to activate the side objectives, I may have died sometimes, but that didn't matter as the quest was complete after that. I also ran to the next Ritual stone because I knew where they are located from the normal playthrough. It seems a bit absurd to me to think this is harder than a SL1 Dark Souls run, but opinions are opinions.
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By Kovy88 on 18 Dec 2018 20:51
I guess it could be done without too much hassle like this, but that's in normal mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7JIgCNeHtU&

I was just playing alone, I didn't know that guy, just a random player. I guess they just decided to use the cracking spear and it seems to work pretty well. But it costs 5 spear heads to craft 9 on them, and there are a limited amount of spear heads in the game, as far as I know.
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By Kovy88 on 14 Dec 2018 00:26
You can buy spear heads for 1500 scoria each
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By vSully on 14 Dec 2018 00:33
Alright then. But I still don't get the co-op functionality of the game. Like the randoms get in my game still and fight the end boss, when I didn't rest at a ritual stone outside Vagrant's Rest. I have no idea how to join a random players game. All I can think of is that I'm the companion in their game, while battling the same boss. And I look like Jokell to them. I've read the multiplayer faq.
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By Kovy88 on 15 Dec 2018 14:04
Co-op is seamless. If you are out in the world and near another player with similar journey progress, the game will put you together. They will take over your AI and you will take over theirs. There's no notification that this happens but you can immediately tell when your AI runs ahead and/or loots items.
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By vSully on 15 Dec 2018 14:45
I've just got this achievement. Luckily I was playing co-op with another player. We both took turn dodge in and dodge out to hit Sissna in first form. Second form, we tagged her with crackling spears. We used heavy shields to block her running frenzy mode! When Sissna get ready to stop and attack from running, I've rolled forward to avoid her ground blast. Walk/run around the pool to get clear shots with crackling spears. I got lucky and beat her on first attempt.
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By Jhous10 on 17 Dec 2018 05:16
Just a word of warning from my personal experience with the game. If you clear that annoying palace-dungeon and kill shadow of the ashen, then warp back to Vagrant's Rest before jumping into the hole that leads to the pitch black area, there is no way to get back there but to clear that palace-dungeon again. This time with no human help, you have to suffer through it with the AI, because as you killed the boss already, it doesn't sync with other players no longer, so you are alone in the dungeon.

I haven't cleared it again yet, but it may be hours and hours of more frustration if you make that mistake.
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By Kovy88 on 17 Dec 2018 15:32
So this isn't a new game+, right? Nothing carries over?
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By NBA Kirkland on 17 Dec 2018 21:40
Correct its just "hard mode".
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By on 18 Dec 2018 00:22
I finished it. Just craft a ton of timeworn spears and use the Ukkoto-relic. Then aim for headshots at the second phase, all of the orbs from the Ukkoto-relic will absorb into the boss causing more damage. I just played with a random player who was playing on normal difficulty. Also just side-dodge at the last moment when the spider tries to run over you.
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By Kovy88 on 18 Dec 2018 19:06
I managed to do it by switching to Ukkottos and stocking up on Sturm Spirits. AI is useless so I put on the 25% damage if AI is dead relic, too. Just got to go all out and be aggressive. Funny how fast I flew through the palace by throwing spears where I thought there would be a teleport spot and glitching through the map, lol
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By regret on 04 Sep 2019 15:22
So to be 100% sure, Children of Sissna mode starts the whole game over right? Or does it start you where you activated it in the game?

I Googled it but I can't seem to find the answer. It might seem obvious, but I figured I'd ask since it's unlocked after the 3rd boss for some reason, and not after beating the whole game like you'd expect.
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By EarthboundX on 11 Sep 2019 03:32
Is a new char on a separate save file.
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By vSully on 11 Sep 2019 09:40
Alright thanks.
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By EarthboundX on 11 Sep 2019 09:50
Nice tips man, Just got this and thought I'd share something. When you get to The Gnaw, You can bypass the whole section with minimum fights by using the red statues. I was by myself and couldn't a random to join and this helped quite a bit.
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By bigsmok3r on 19 Dec 2018 20:53
f*** seat of the matriarch!! No checkpoints! This is waaaay harder than souls, for the lack of checkpoints mostly
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By Rafael D Arroyo on 20 Dec 2018 12:25
Rafael, You can skip this section, There is a ladder that leads down to the bottom that makes this part easy!
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By bigsmok3r on 20 Dec 2018 17:19
It's still hard though, I've made it through Amiren, but it took several hours, goddam addictve game...
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By Rafael D Arroyo on 20 Dec 2018 22:08
As far as killing the final boss's second form I can confirm that it took about 45 Cracking Spears to take her down without any other damage being dealt.

I got into Co-op with another player and he pretty much ran away the whole time and threw some basic arrows at her. He might have been in Sissna mode as well but didn't ask. I was in my element and side dodged all her charges and just dumped those arrows into her and that was it.
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By Mechsican on 21 Dec 2018 21:24
Anyone on this boss in normal mode invite people that are on children? Or do you have to play through the whole game?
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By WayzoftheRaven on 29 Dec 2018 22:08
You need to have similar story progression to match up with somebody. You can’t just join your friends game at the final boss.

http://www.ashen-game.com/news/ashen-multiplayer-faq
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By vSully on 31 Dec 2018 21:14
Thanks for that! People are all over Reddit trying to figure out why they can't join when It's simply on their official websites FAQ haha wish looked there first.

My friend just started a new game and we synced up at the first boss again and continued onward to where we originally were in half the time so now It's a matter of making it through the rest of the game with me being in CoS mode shock
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By UnlikeKaiju on 01 Jan 2019 06:16
He's an pretty easy way through The Gnaw. Video I made.
https://youtu.be/0iST8WpoN5U
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By NBA Kirkland on 09 Jan 2019 18:56
The Ashen MP FAQ spells out that you can't connect with players across bosses, but does anyone know if this is true of the final boss? I finished the game but a friend is stuck on the final boss and wants help ... wondering if I can help. I'd try but we're in (considerably) different time zones and coordinating a meet-up would be troublesome; hoping someone just knows if a character who has beaten the final boss can match with someone who hasn't for that final boss fight. Thx.
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By Trimbler on 10 Jan 2019 15:24
Yes. Once you beat the final boss, you can still match with people to fight the final boss. I can confirm this firsthand.
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By vSully on 10 Jan 2019 17:56
Mainly because there isn't really an end-game, you can just keep fighting the boss over and over and therefore you are at the same point in the story and can join any player who either has yet to fight the boss or who already has.

This bloody 'Defeat Sissna' on 'Children of Sissna' is the only achievement I have left. I'm a *very* amateur souls player really but it was fun playing through on normal mode with my good mate (who is an insane souls player really) took us around 22 hours but we did mess around... By that I mean I died a lot :)
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By Brainlet on 30 Jan 2019 19:56
I’m really struggling with this boss on normal mode! His attacks are devastating! I gave up for now
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By Bootybandit1#751 on 07 Feb 2019 13:21
Spear boyyys!
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By darkling1542 on 02 Sep 2019 16:13
SPEAR BOYS 4 LYFE!!!!!!!
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By Harbringernight on 02 Sep 2019 16:16
I would recommend loads of cracking spears. That's the easy mode button.
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By Harbringernight on 03 Sep 2019 19:57
I just did it this weekend. My partner and I didn't bother with the adds before or after the NPC went away. Move in a diagonal path and they can't attack you. I always had something like 4 stacks of bone and 2-4 stacks of cracking in general. I would say 125-150 cracking spears got used in that battle. Thats with a lot of missing.

Shadows attacks are super easy to avoid. Continue to back away throwing spears when you can and just spam dodge when he does the 3 swings.

Make sure you use Gefn relic also.
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By Harbringernight on 04 Sep 2019 03:46
Well yeah, having a partner helps INSANELY for moving aggro between the two of you. No wonder, lol. Try doing it with the nonexistent AI. When my AI doesn't die the fight seems like a cakewalk. Too bad he either dies early in or immediately in the second stage.

I might switch from Gefn to Ukkkotos since I feel like he would've been dead so many times with a little bit more extra damage.
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By regret on 04 Sep 2019 04:38
Good luck.
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By Harbringernight on 04 Sep 2019 15:05
Well I guess it doesn't really matter now, just beat her on my own, just two more tries after trying to connect with my friend. So about 8-10 tries total.
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By EarthboundX on 19 Oct 2019 07:29
I need help with this.
I'm on hard mode, jut got to Sindre's View
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By D Strife 7 on 08 Dec 2019 19:33
Damn, was gonna buy this game until I saw this. Now I'm having second thoughts. I was looking at this for an easier Dark Souls. Worries me seeing multiple DS vets lamenting this achievement as impossible solo.
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By Rubedo URTV 666 on 25 May 2020 00:00
This is not as difficult as DS. In truth you can practically cheese the game with crackling spears. Besides difficulty is subjective anyways so don’t let that put you off.
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By Harbringernight on 25 May 2020 00:16
Are you 100% sure people that have already beaten the last boss can connect to people who haven't and help them fight it?

Been trying with a friend for about an hour now, standing outside the cave entrance and a couple other areas, and we cannot connect no matter what we've tried. We've tried both of us on Normal mode, both on Children of Sissna mode, and the mix of the two, and nothing.
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By EarthboundX on 19 Oct 2019 06:51
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This guy on YouTube called Aeraloth beat every boss on CoS by himself, solo, without taking any hits. For anyone who's struggling with a boss, have a look at his video and show him some love for this awesome achievement. All credit goes to him. He shows a good strategy for each boss.


Talismans and gear
Will add soon

Upgrading weapon
Okay, with that out the way I'll go through few strategies. You should have your weapon fully upgraded before Shadow of Ashen.

There are few weapons to consider all found early on in the game:
- Spiked Cudgel - one-handed - damage on +7 181-241 0% crit chance (my choice)
- Forgone Axe - one-handed - damage on +7 137-161 30% crit chance
- Cleaving Axe - two-handed - damage on +7 287-312 23& crit chance

There are 2 twin sapient roots in whisperers. One located on a small island in water, and the other located to the right of the second Ritual Stone in a tower. Both require shadow walk. See screenshots below.

Twin sapient root no.1

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Twin sapient root no.2

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Twin sapient root no.3
Is located right behind the second brute in the Palace.

Upgrading cost
Broken (500 Scoria)
Repaired (4500 Scoria)
Ash Infused (9000 Scoria + 1 Sapient Moss)
Ash Infused +1 (17,500 + 2 Sapient Moss)
Ash Infused +2 (26,250 + 4 Sapient Moss)
Ash Infused +3 (33,500 + 1 Sapient Root)
Ash Infused +4 (41,000 Scoria + 2 Sapient Root)
Ash Infused +5
Ash Infused +6 (54,000 Scoria + 1 Twin Sapient Root)
Ash Infused +7 (63,000 Scoria + 2 Twin Sapient Root)

Prophet's rise
Really hard area early on. The best way to deal with the exploding spear throwing guys is to kill them from distance using the basic spears. Takes 3 shots to kill them. Other than that, it's alright.

The farming method I used to get Scalia.
Outside the palace starting at the ritual stone walk up the hill. There are 2 spear throwing guys and one ninja. Keep walking up to find 2 more ninjas (1 is sitting at the edge, just push him off). walk down the stairs to see 4 enemies sitting around a fire. All there enemies grant you 800 Scalia each. Keep walking down the stair and enter the cave. Each skeleton you kill gives you 400 Scalia. No need to kill the big dude and shadow ladies around him. All this grants you around 10k Scalia.

Crossing the palace
Save all your exploding spears for the palace. All brutes are 2 hit kills with exploding spears. There are around 7 brutes, having 20+ exploding spears is more than enough. This makes crossing the palace extremely easy.

Killing Shadow of ashen
Took me 2 days, got help from a stranger. It's all about luck. Don't mind the enemies in the 1st stage, they will disappear once you enter the second stage. Extremely helpful to have exploding spears, throw it at him once he's in the middle and if he's chasing your coop partner. I tried it with a two-handed weapon first, without luck. He one-hit kills you. Shield and one-handed is the way to go in my opinion.

Sissna
In the first stage, the best time to attack her is after her aoe attack. If she flies toward you and does aoe attack there's time for 3 hits, if she does aoe without flying toward you, it's followed by 2 hit combo, you're free to hit her after. Take advantage of every other opening.
In stage 2 the best way to kill her is using exploding spears, it takes about 50 spears to kill her. Killed her first try.
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28 Dec 2018 03:48

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So I'm confused, you did this solo or in co-op? I thought the video you posted showed everything being done solo, but you couldn't do it solo?
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By Rubedo URTV 666 on 25 May 2020 00:02
Shadow of the Ashen has a forced NPC in the fight that goes away in a cutscene for the 2nd phase to clear confusion years later. Maybe someone else will wonder the same thing though.
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By ThaDevilzHand on 28 Feb 2023 06:36
I highly recommend playing in co-op.
The AI ​​simply isn't smart enough for the last two bosses. And in order to make your life easier, before going to the Lantria palace, you need to stock up on at least a hundred (preferably a couple of hundred) explosive spears and a potion (18 pieces), which reduces the damage if you fight in the dark without a flashlight. You cannot move from the stone in front of the boss in the palace to the vagabond's shelter and back. I also advise you to collect all the feathers you can. To get more copies, it would be a good idea to receive a relic from the hunter for the quest that increases the chance of dropping tips. I myself made a backup save before the last bosses, because... It takes a very long time to farm resources from scratch (for some reason the game does not automatically upload saves to the cloud).
Video guide (en) with the location of feathers.
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