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Pro Keys Graduate

Pro Keys Graduate

Completed the final Pro Keys trainers.

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How to unlock the Pro Keys Graduate achievement in Rock Band 3 - Definitive Guide

Rules:
To gain this achievement you must beat the Expert Lessons In Pro Keyboard ONLY!! Not alot of people know this thus making them do it all and that waste time.

Difficulty:
This is a very difficult achievement to achieve legitly
How to unlock achievement:

The way i got it was simple i got an idea that rock band has added as a new feature.. When you press start while playing a song and then unpause the highway or fretboard moves back words a little and the continues forward. What i recommend you to do is hit one note and immediately press start and configure your hand to the next note. This is extremely helpful when you are forced to switch finger positions quickly for different chord positions. It does Work i have done it myself.

Cons:
This is very time consuming and often gets boring when you mess up and you have to restart but its the only way to get it if you suck at keyboard and dont wanna bother wasting to much time and effort.

Update:If you're having problems with it going red, back up to the previous progress session, then move back to your current lesson. It seems like if you mess up once then the pause trick doesn't work, but doing it the "first time" on each lesson does. Hope that made sense.
Credited to simmias42
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05 Nov 2010 19:20

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Just did the expert lessons from start to finish in about 2 hours. The hardest ones were the ones with the different 4 note chords close together such that it was luck hitting the pause button in time.
Sometimes I hit the guide button but that sometimes didn't help because that delays the game pausing and the next note is missed by then!
The first lesson of part 4 where you have the repeating red notes and various 2/3 note chords, I found it easier to try and keep rhythm with the red notes while rushing for the pause button because the timing there was tight and there were tons of notes in this lesson.
The last lesson in part 4 where you have the ascending and descending notes, I personally thought was evil. Because the 4 note chords at the end, the solo was ok but it took time to get through with constant pausing and unpausing. You could get someone to help you pause but I managed without.
I recommend this solution as I'm a horrible keyboard player. The only thing I struggled with was getting to the pause button quick enough. I managed to get this achievement in about 2 hours with a lot of determination and patience.
Great solution!
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By Flopsy86 on 15 Nov 2012 22:24
Oh god, this actually works? Well, there goes the actual difficulty of arguably the hardest achievement in the game :/
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By AEtherchild on 06 Nov 2010 23:13
Not so fast there, chief. :D This strategy may be helpful for the lessons that are just four really stretchy chords, but good luck doing the super fast solo scale runs in the last trainer.
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By Beelzebozo Time on 07 Nov 2010 00:09
i already did it and it was with this same method :P
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By BigmanAriel on 07 Nov 2010 02:54
Could you possibly do a video of either the second or third lesson in the final trainer using this method? I don't mean to call you a liar, but I really don't see how it's possible.
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By Beelzebozo Time on 07 Nov 2010 15:58
I agree with the guy above if you can prove this works i will give you good rep for now im not giveing you anything.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 07 Nov 2010 19:37
wow you guys ask for too much. ill see when i can do it. If you dont believe i got it with this method thats you but as i can tell next to my gamertag it says achievement won. Why would i lie about how i got it?
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By BigmanAriel on 07 Nov 2010 19:40
i just want to know how you did it without notes reseting or missing tell me how buddy?? make a video and if it works i will love you.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 07 Nov 2010 20:00
How hard is it for you guys to just try this yourselves? Lol.
Anyways, good guide, Bigman. I would have never thought of trying this.
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By on 09 Nov 2010 06:31
^Moe when you hit the start butting and rewind the track the last note you hit comes back idk why.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 09 Nov 2010 11:51
Thanks moe I appreciate it and beastly I just got surgery today so give me some time to recover and I'll make a new video to substitute my old one. To anyone who reads this solution please do not feel like I'm trying to deceive you it worked for me I just wanted to help you guys with this achievement
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By BigmanAriel on 09 Nov 2010 15:32
i ant bitching i never gave you bad rep i just dont know why you did it without the note comeing back or it counting you as missing witch you never did miss.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 09 Nov 2010 15:44
^How*
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By PsychoPappy5 on 09 Nov 2010 15:45
I know I'm just telling everyone else who will read it just give me a few days to recover and I'll show you how I got it I promise for the meanwhile try something else
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By BigmanAriel on 09 Nov 2010 15:49
That's great Moe! I'm glad my method helped you :)
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By BigmanAriel on 09 Nov 2010 18:54
yes this has works for me aswell.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 09 Nov 2010 21:33
Awesome beastly now I don't have to worry about the video xD
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By BigmanAriel on 10 Nov 2010 01:01
BigmanArel you should update this to what moe said i read what he said then i understood what i had to do to get it to work.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 10 Nov 2010 13:33
I will soon I can't now
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By BigmanAriel on 10 Nov 2010 14:02
I just tried this and for some reason, I get an "overhit" (percentage turns red briefly) shortly after unpausing. Then even if I get 100% notes hit, it doesn't count as complete for the section. Any ideas what's causing this?
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By vSully on 10 Nov 2010 15:32
Not sure I'd have to visually see what your doing maybe the speed is not at one hundred percent
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By BigmanAriel on 10 Nov 2010 16:56
It still doesn't take away all the frustrations but this method is by far the best way to go if you never plan on going all the way on Pro Keys.
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By TaurosPuff on 11 Nov 2010 23:36
Lol I know what you mean man I gotirritated when i messed up lol
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By BigmanAriel on 12 Nov 2010 00:30
I haven't tried the keyboard trainer myself, but on the drum trainer you have to hit 100% of the notes without ANY overhits, otherwise it doesn't count. I assume it's the same on keyboard?
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By FATHEAD SHANE on 18 Nov 2010 21:09
yes
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By BigmanAriel on 18 Nov 2010 21:36
Great guide! Got it last night! Thanks alot.
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By Feckerpsxc364 on 21 Nov 2010 22:32
Your welcome man Congratz
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By BigmanAriel on 21 Nov 2010 22:33
Yeah, getting what Sully is experiencing. This method doesn't seem to work on all lessons.
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By Devil May Asian on 01 Dec 2010 22:51
I read somewhere that Harmonix patched the pause exploit. I'm not sure, but that may be why it's not working for you guys anymore. I didn't have a chance to try this out myself yet, though.
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By MKDevoid on 20 Dec 2010 03:26
Devil may asian i did this on all the lessons and it does work.

Kreops your right but they only patched the pause exploit to rock band songs but not lessons. I tried it and it still gave me 100 percent with the green lights so you still have time to try it :D good luck i hope you geti t
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By BigmanAriel on 20 Dec 2010 06:25
They only patched the pause exploit into the scored sections because people were using it to boost their scores by never missing a note.
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By Torhu Hybrid on 23 Dec 2010 19:45
lol Thank you torhu but i already explained that xD
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By BigmanAriel on 24 Dec 2010 03:01
If you're having problems with it going red, back up to the previous progress session, then move back to your current lesson. It seems like if you mess up once then the pause trick doesn't work, but doing it the "first time" on each lesson does. Hope that made sense.
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By simmias42 on 26 Dec 2010 19:04
thanks for your help simmias42
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By BigmanAriel on 26 Dec 2010 19:28
No, thank you, BigmanAriel. I just unlocked this achievement using your method.
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By simmias42 on 26 Dec 2010 20:04
im glad i just dont understand why im getting negative for this solution when it works and it helps!
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By BigmanAriel on 28 Dec 2010 19:34
This works PERFECTLY....you just need to pause really fast during the solo one.
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By ViPeR866 on 14 Jan 2011 02:29
Ahhhh. Thanks for that, simmias42. It's working like a charm...when I can keep combo. \m/
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By Devil May Asian on 25 Jan 2011 18:39
Worked perfectly for me. Took about an hour spaced out over a few nights.
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By Dan2102 on 30 Jan 2011 18:23
thank you everyone for letting me know this works for you. im glad i helped you :)
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By BigmanAriel on 30 Jan 2011 23:46
this isnt working for me what am i doing wrong. when i pause it it overhits or something.
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By xKBMx ZERO on 12 Feb 2011 00:29
restart it and try again
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By BigmanAriel on 12 Feb 2011 00:31
You probably only got negatives from the people who are mad cause they worked to get this with no exploit. Two thumbs up from me though.
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By Madtown B on 14 Feb 2011 06:18
Thank you, this was really helpful. Going to try it out once I get the chance!
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By StickyViking on 14 Apr 2011 08:42
yuor welcome give me a positive when u can!!
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By BigmanAriel on 14 Apr 2011 08:47
Thanks simmias42 for the awesome tip! You should add it on the solution.
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By cooorpse on 18 Jan 2012 22:34
Noted plus dont i get a thanks >.>.....to be honest i think its unfair that im getting negatives when my solution works.
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By BigmanAriel on 19 Jan 2012 04:57
Wow I can't believe this works, but it does! I'm Grade 5 on piano so not awful, unlike the detection on the RB3 keyboard!!! Kudos to simmias42 as well!
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By RichardW1001 on 31 Jan 2012 13:49
thank you for your support ;] congratz
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By BigmanAriel on 24 Apr 2012 03:27
Thanks guys i appreciate your feedback!!!
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By BigmanAriel on 25 Nov 2012 15:07
Wow just wow!!!!!! Got this in 2 1/2 hours using this method. Thanks so much for doing this guide. If I could vote +5 I would. You only get a +1 sorry smile
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By oxBURN3Rxo on 11 Sep 2013 23:54
Did this using your pausing method. Hooray!
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By Elite1111111111 on 28 Jun 2014 07:27
i made a new guide i was thinking and thats what i came up with just need to make sure it works lol i need my 2 friends to come over lol.
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By PsychoPappy5 on 09 Nov 2010 16:10
Pappy, the notes come back only if you didn't hit them before pausing. You have to actually have the notes register and give you the percentage before you hit start.

And I'm just confirming that this worked for me. Took less than an hour to do.
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By on 09 Nov 2010 17:54
Positive from me. But man, trying to hit some of those 4-chord notes with one hand was almost impossible. Then trying to use two hands then quickly pause was the only method... Then I kept missing the start button :P. Great guide, wouldn't have been able to get it otherwise.
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By Kirblinx on 24 Apr 2012 03:01
Worked for me, thanks!

For the fast notes, just...

1) Pause.
2) See what note is coming.
3) Get your left hand pointer finger on it, put your right pointer finger on start.
4) Unpause, hit it, and IMMEDIATELY pause again. Like, almost at the same time.

For the 4-chord notes, I had someone handling the start button for me, so if you have a boosting buddy who owes you a favor, get them to help.
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By MMMDI on 16 May 2012 09:51
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Well, I just went through these tonight. Being a concert pianist, these took me about an hour to complete. If you're completely new to music theory and basic principles of music, good luck. My advice would actually be to learn your keys, chords and scales from a website and practice them silently on your keyboard. A good resource for these would be:

http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/vpc/piano_chords.htm

It shows you the keys you would need for each chord and scale, and most useful modes. The exercises in the game cover all of the major scales, about half of the minor ones, and the Dorian and Mixolydian modes, which is about all you will find in this music.

One suggestion for the large chord changes that occur quickly: memorize the first and 2nd chord of the change, and analyze the position that your hand needs to take for each. Then, analyze the transition. What fingers change from black to white? How far is each finger moving? Can I keep the same shape and just move sideways? What fingering is best for each chord, and what fits my hand best?

Comments with specific questions pertaining to these would be the best way for me to update my solution (i.e. what exercises were hard and how I would suggest solving the problems), since when I went through them it posed no real difficulty and thus I didn't really develop a 'strategy' for dealing with them.

Happy practicing!

IMPORTANT NOTE: Only the expert lessons are needed to garner this achievement. Thanks to nightwif for asking this crucial question. If you are using the MIDI controller and cannot bend pitch on your keyboard, there is at least one early exercise that you won't be able to do. :/

EDIT: Hitoshura gives some fantastic advice that I didn't think of! Use both hands! Some of those bigger, 4 note chords can be tough if you're not used to playing keyboard, and you can accommodate yourself by taking the bass note of the chord (or even the lower two notes) with the left hand.

EDIT: I just noticed something. The keyboard abides by the same rule as guitar, in that you can play notes above other notes that you have held down in a run, but you can't play something below what is held down. So, if you have three fast descending notes, you have to get each off of them before playing the next one. I was missing notes and wasn't sure why until I figured this out. This makes downward glissandi much harder to pull off than upward ones if you wanted to play them like scales (with one finger on each note, like I was doing). Pretty much forces you into the one-finger method the game prescribes. Maybe this mechanic is in place because you can use the guitar to play normal key tracks, but whatever the case, it shouldn't be there.

EDIT: Here are a couple of questions that EchIlIon Asked me, and I thought they were good enough to be posted here.

Q. I seem to look at my hands a lot, but I assume that will vanish with practice?

A. You could get used to using the black keys to orient yourself, rather than looking. If you feel yourself inclined to look, take a quick feel. You'll quickly notice that it's easy to find your place using the larger gaps between the sets of two and three black keys. This ties into your other question, about getting tired.

Q. My fingers or wrists seem to tire quickly. Any methods for increasing endurance or strength?

A.It's easier to find your place if you play flat-fingered. However, the keyboard uses a non-weighted lever system, similar to those used in (really) cheap, crappy keyboards. This means that, the closer you are to the fulcrum of the lever, the harder in the keys are to depress. I recommend playing on the ends of the keys to conserve energy, and once you've played a chord, try to let the weight of your arm hold the notes down, rather than continuing to push. This would be easier on a real piano or keyboard.

The best solution is to have a decent keyboard and MIDI controller, when it becomes available. It's super easy to miss notes on this junky little thing, because even barely grazing a key from the side results in an activation. You would find that the keys on a real, weighted keyboard are more forgiving, and slightly larger.
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28 Oct 2010 08:52

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Haha, so jealous. I'm still struggling on the medium ones, granted I've only had the keys for a day, I think I've already hit my wall already though.

Just for kicks, I tried to hit the first 4-note chord in one of the last lessons... You've got to be kidding me, you're meant to do those with one hand? I'd struggle to do it if I had three! laugh
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By Potato Handle on 28 Oct 2010 10:15
The cool thing about piano chords is that chords fall within just a few different shapes, unless you're playing some really advanced classical stuff. Everything in this game is pretty basic, so you won't have to learn too many different chord shapes in the end. :)
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By Dingo Salad on 28 Oct 2010 11:54
Yeah, learning guitar was the same. 5 or 6 shapes (Hell, these days you can get away with one laugh) and you can play just about any mainstream song you like. Hopefully when I get used to reading the chart a bit better I'll be able to apply a bit more theory into the mix. :P
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By Potato Handle on 28 Oct 2010 12:27
If you're fed up and just want to pass the exercises for the achievement, don't be ashamed to use both hands! For the four-note chord sections near the end, I gave the lower two notes of each chord, and memorized those shifts. Once that got comfortable, I learned the right hand (the other two notes in each chord). Then I put both together. The final exercises took me about 10-15 minutes each to get using this method.

Though in the long run, I hope to be able to do it all with one hand. Dingo gives good tips for long-term development for Pro Keys.
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By Hitoshura on 28 Oct 2010 13:53
A good, comprehensive guide as always.
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By Zacry072 on 29 Oct 2010 15:30
If you're looking for more practice be sure to do the "learn this song" lessons (which can even be done from easy to expert). I've only done it for a few songs, but the same style of gameplay is there (i.e. it is like the trainer) and just gives more practice. I'm finding that there is a big difficulty gap between medium/intermediate and hard; I'm sure I'll be able to do it some day with more play through and practice.
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By Nefarious Zhen on 30 Oct 2010 08:49
Finally just got this achievement. Playing piano for 7 years as a kid sure did help.
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By AEtherchild on 30 Oct 2010 22:53
Grats!
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By Dingo Salad on 30 Oct 2010 23:29
I made it through the very beginning of the tutorial before my complete lack of experience with keys became an issue. From what I can see, it seems that the tutorial expects you to play everything one-handed. Dingo Salad- is this reasonable for you or do you rely on two-hands?
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By vSully on 31 Oct 2010 19:48
I played everything one-handed, but I was already used to all the chord shapes. However, Hitoshura had some good advice I think when he suggested using two for some parts. It may improve accuracy....the touch on these little keyboards is so damned light that it's VERY easy to crunch notes and break the combo.
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By Dingo Salad on 31 Oct 2010 20:00
The way I dealt with the hardest ones was to slow it down right to 60% and repeatedly play it until the pattern became second nature, so I could essentially play the sequences without even having to look at the screen and just trust my fingers. If that makes sense. I don't know whether that'd work for everyone, but I found it easier to learn some of them and play from memory rather than following it on screen.
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By zigs00 on 01 Nov 2010 18:58
Yeah, so, let me know why you're giving me a negative before you do so. The solution is thorough, and articulate. Say something first, rather than rudely and tacitly thumbing me down.
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By Dingo Salad on 08 Nov 2010 20:30
Fingering for 'Long and Fast Runs': Straightforward on the first half: 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 3 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 2. For the latter half: 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 x 2 3 4 3 2 1 3 4 1 5 1 5 1 5 1, where x indicated where finger-crossing happens. At least that's how I play it. And for numbering 1 is thumb and so on.
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By jhsa on 31 Dec 2010 14:47
Thanks to jhsa for answering for me. I loaned my copy out so I haven't had time. Insipid, something else that might help would be to memorize little parts of it at a time, and practice it slowly, without playing the game. Also, keep your fingers as close to the keys as possible, to economize motion. The only hard parts are crossovers, to maximize your time working on those, rather than practicing the exercise as a whole. Good luck to you!
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By Dingo Salad on 31 Dec 2010 15:17
I put down the keyboard for a while to give the guitar a go, but today I tried "Long and Fast Runs" using that fingering, and got it after about 45 minutes. Awesome. Now I only have one left: "Solos." Those chords at the end are killing me, and once again I can't slow the tempo down enough to even work out a fingering strategy. Any tips?

PLUS: I just tried it at full speed for laughs, and oh my god that's fast. I'm not sure now I'm going to get the non-chord portion at that speed either. Any tips are welcome.
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By FiscalCliff2013 on 01 Feb 2011 20:55
Don't think I've forgotten you. I'm in the middle of a move and I'll hook up my RB3 soon and see what advice I can offer to you on this one. Will get back to you ASAP.
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By Dingo Salad on 09 Feb 2011 07:59
Tips for the last one 'Solos':

The first part should be easy by now, so nothing fancy there.

For the second part, the fast triplets, I use 5,3,1 fingering for each chord. Try to play it smoothly and relaxed, it will take some time to get the feel for it. Hit pinky in even rhythm on the high notes and let the middle finger and thumb roll fluidly and evenly between.

As for the chords, I use the following fingering: 1235, 1235, 235, 1245, 1245, 124, 1245.

Good luck!
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By jhsa on 12 Feb 2011 20:16
My question is, can you get this achievement just for finishing the final trainers, and missing some of the earlier on trainers? I'm using a midi pro adapter and yahama keyboard, and am unable to 'bend' the notes as my keyboard doesn't have a pitch-shifter, so i cannot complete one of the 'learn the track' missions where it's required to bend the sustains.
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By nightwlf on 24 Mar 2011 01:00
You only need to complete the Expert lessons. Added to solution.
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By Dingo Salad on 24 Mar 2011 07:19
I got my keyboard yesterday, and I completely agree; I've played piano for years but this keyboard makes it so hard to play cause the keys are complete crap by comparison.
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By E Hero Killjoy on 06 Jul 2011 22:41
Dingo, I'm stuck on the second-to-last lesson, where there's a really fast downward scale. The game reminds you to cross over with a finger, but I can't figure out where to cross over and with which finger (there's a lot of pesky black keys involved and the fingering I've been trying all feels really awkward). I can't even come close to getting this at 60%, and I'm getting frustrated. Any tips?
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By FiscalCliff2013 on 29 Dec 2010 01:19
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I took 11 years of classical pianos lessons when I was a kid, and I still had trouble with the last two Pro Keys lessons. It took me almost a full week of trying each night to finally get the second-to-last one; the very last one took me about three practice sessions.

The advice in Dingo's solution is great. I have a few tips of my own to add:

1. If you're used to reading musical notation, take the time to transcribe the Pro-Keys notation into notes on a staff for the lessons you're having trouble with. It allowed me to concentrate on the actual playing without being distracted by having to constantly translate the notes. It also helped me to see a couple of patterns I hadn't noticed while trying to read it off the screen.

2. Just like learning a very difficult piece on a real piano, don't expect to get all of these the first time around. Especially when something is really fast, it's muscle memory that will get you through it. Practice it a little bit every day or so until you don't really have to think about what your fingers are doing.

3. Play staccato when you can (staccato is when you just tap a key and take your finger off it right away). This isn't always possible when a sequence is really fast, but it works for most of them. Like Dingo mentioned in his solution, when playing a note that's lower than the previous one, you have to already be completely off that previous key or the lower key won't count. Plus, the RB3 keyboard is so damned sensitive, I found that removing my fingers from the keyboard ASAP reduced the number of times I accidentally bumped into random keys on my way to the right one (I got many 100%s that didn't count because I hit extraneous keys).

4. I often found that playing some of the more difficult rhythms was easier on the faster settings, because when there's less time between notes, there are fewer wrong times to hit the key. :-) It seems like RB3 has a smaller window for accepting a note than the previous Rock Bands did. If you know you're hitting the right notes but they're still not counting, trying upping the speed.

5. Lastly, I want to reiterate the suggesion of using two hands for playing the larger chord sequences. Especially for people with smaller hands, it will help to prevent your hitting extraneous keys while stretching to play the whole chord with one hand.

Hang in there. This one is frustrating, but just practice regularly and you'll get them.
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Thanks, Dingo! I went into this one all cocky, thinking it would be a no-brainer--and it was, until I got to the Expert lessons. I was expecting my piano skills to translate over 100%, which they most certainly don't. I got tripped up occasionally by the RB notation but most often by the keyboard sensitivity. I'm hoping that documenting these tricks and modifications I had to make to my piano habits will help someone else avoid at least some of the frustration I ran into.
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By bonster20 on 30 Nov 2018 18:54
Great tips bonster! I'd give you a thumbs up if I could!
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By Dingo Salad on 09 Feb 2011 08:01

You only need to do the final set of lessons (Expert Lessons) for this trophy and you have to do them on 100% speed.

If you try to do this "legit", it will be real difficult and you'll need a lot of practice to memorize the hardest parts.

If you don't mind "cheating" a little bit, there's an "alternate" easy way of doing it:

As soon as you see the first note/chord coming up, pause the game. Now you have time to put your fingers in the right place. Un-pause the game and right after you hit the note/chord, pause again. Now you can reposition your fingers to hit the next note. Unpause the game and you'll see that each time the game "rewinds" the note track, but the notes that you've already hit disappear.

Just make sure to use the "pause and un-pause trick" until you see the note disappear before going to the next note.

If you miss a note (the percentage of notes hit flashes red), you'll have to start the lesson again. Press or to choose another lesson then go back to the lesson you are trying, thus restarting the lesson.

You can do this trick to hit all the notes in each trainer and get 100% on them. You'll probably gonna need a friend to help you by pressing while you use your two hands on the keys, especially on those 4-note chords.

Here's a video explaining this method:

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Like the Pro Drum Trainer these final lessons can be very tricky, and have even given trained piano players difficulty. Access them from the Goals menu (Pro Keyboard > Lessons and Trainer Goals > Advanced Scales) or the Training menu and pass every lesson at full speed to unlock this. You will need to hit every note without hitting extra notes to unlock this achievement.

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