Stellaris
174 Achievements
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300-500.5h
PC
Humble Pie
Humiliate an Empire that is in the Supremacy Diplomatic Stance, forcing them out of it
40
0.06%
How to unlock the Humble Pie achievement in Stellaris - Definitive Guide
yossariano
TrueAchievements
TrueAchievements
Read a lot about this achievement whilst trying in vain to obtain it with the Humiliate Fallen Empire route. Never worked for me on the win 10 version (v2.8.x)
The dormat empires, even if you colonise a holy world say to really annoy them will not enter supremacist state, only belligerent.
An awakened fallen empire is a bit different, they emerge as supremacist and I managed to provoke one into war by having low 10k fleets then ramping up. Then just as was about to win they switched state from supremacist to isolationist. How annoying is that. Apparently this is a bug they fixed back in 2.6 to stop diplomactic states being changeable during a war, but clearly it doesn't apply to Fallen Empires.
how I did it in the end after about five attempts with fallen empires is as follows
Medium galaxy, no fallen empires, hardest difficulty (Grand Admiral). AI aggressiveness normal.
Force spawned a very militant empire I named the Thunbergs (my joke). They were far enough away to keep things peaceful until I could ramp up my infrastructure and tech. Had only basic 10k fleets for pirates etc and I looked a soft target. Then once ready, insult them and colonise planet close by.
I basically created an infrastructure that could ramp up fleets in a few months to 24 battleship fleets (five or six of them).
They were supremacist by the time they made contact. And they didn't change this stance.
So basically you need to do this with normal empires, NOT fallen empires despite all the guides saying it's the best way. I think they nerfed this method at some point.
The dormat empires, even if you colonise a holy world say to really annoy them will not enter supremacist state, only belligerent.
An awakened fallen empire is a bit different, they emerge as supremacist and I managed to provoke one into war by having low 10k fleets then ramping up. Then just as was about to win they switched state from supremacist to isolationist. How annoying is that. Apparently this is a bug they fixed back in 2.6 to stop diplomactic states being changeable during a war, but clearly it doesn't apply to Fallen Empires.
how I did it in the end after about five attempts with fallen empires is as follows
Medium galaxy, no fallen empires, hardest difficulty (Grand Admiral). AI aggressiveness normal.
Force spawned a very militant empire I named the Thunbergs (my joke). They were far enough away to keep things peaceful until I could ramp up my infrastructure and tech. Had only basic 10k fleets for pirates etc and I looked a soft target. Then once ready, insult them and colonise planet close by.
I basically created an infrastructure that could ramp up fleets in a few months to 24 battleship fleets (five or six of them).
They were supremacist by the time they made contact. And they didn't change this stance.
So basically you need to do this with normal empires, NOT fallen empires despite all the guides saying it's the best way. I think they nerfed this method at some point.
2 Comments
Thanks for the guide, I've been trying to get this one for awhile. I've just never even seen the AI use the supremacy stance, a bit annoying.
By CReaper210 on 15 Apr 2021 16:06
You have my upvote for naming the militant empire the Thunbergs! :)
By EaSkateVideo on 21 Dec 2021 09:14
kneesocks
stratege.ru
stratege.ru
This guide was translated automatically.
Relatively "easy" to do with holy guards (fallen empire). We keep in mind that you need a very strong economy/science, take this as a base. We boost the chance of their spawning (we need a lot of spiritualist empires in the galaxy).
Once you are sure that there is a spiritualistic fallen empire in the game, find their holy worlds (ideal worlds with a corresponding mark near their borders). Spoil your relationship with them by insulting them in diplomacy. Build up your fleet to the point where their fleet strength is STRONGER than yours. Give them competition. Take the colossus perk and create it. Before the main actions, check whether you can set the war goal to “Humiliation” (try declaring war on them yourself and choosing a goal, just don’t declare it).
If you can, then take the colossus and break one of their sacred worlds. They will immediately tell you kaput. Then rush with all your might into the capital and destroy it too. Ideally, your technologies should compensate for the smaller number of ships than those of the extinct ones. Usually the destruction of the capital is enough to survive the humiliation and end the war.
In theory, this algorithm introduces the extinct into a state of supermassism when war is declared on you, but I myself did not achieve the achievement on the first try.
Once you are sure that there is a spiritualistic fallen empire in the game, find their holy worlds (ideal worlds with a corresponding mark near their borders). Spoil your relationship with them by insulting them in diplomacy. Build up your fleet to the point where their fleet strength is STRONGER than yours. Give them competition. Take the colossus perk and create it. Before the main actions, check whether you can set the war goal to “Humiliation” (try declaring war on them yourself and choosing a goal, just don’t declare it).
If you can, then take the colossus and break one of their sacred worlds. They will immediately tell you kaput. Then rush with all your might into the capital and destroy it too. Ideally, your technologies should compensate for the smaller number of ships than those of the extinct ones. Usually the destruction of the capital is enough to survive the humiliation and end the war.
In theory, this algorithm introduces the extinct into a state of supermassism when war is declared on you, but I myself did not achieve the achievement on the first try.
